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Support thread for those hosting refugees and advice for those thinking about it

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Honeysuckle9 · 19/05/2022 13:31

As per the previous thread this is a thread so we can offer support to each other and also outline the things we should be thinking about before making this leap

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 30/10/2022 16:25

Bracing myself for the winter, it hasn’t hit yet. Otherwise everything is fine here!

Catslovepies · 30/10/2022 20:50

Everything is OK here. We also will extend another 6 months so hosting a year total but we secretly hope that our guests will find a way to move 9n more quickly than they. Our guests are lovely but having any house guests for this long was always going to be a challenge to put it mildly.

I've removed the electric heaters that used to be in guest's rooms and said we can't afford to run them this year. I've given them all oodie knock-offs and suggested they wear them if cold (as DH and I do).

Tulipomania · 31/10/2022 08:54

My guests have returned to Ukraine. Where they live had been peaceful for several months but is now regularly under missile attacks. I worry about them every day, although we do get updates from them saying they are OK.

VenusClapTrap · 31/10/2022 09:08

Hello. We’ve extended for another six months and told our guests they’re welcome to stay as long as they like. They’ve just this week asked if we will sponsor their husband/Dad as he can now leave Ukraine. They want him to come here and their plan is to find a private rental.

I’m happy to do the sponsorship, and I’m really happy for them that they’ll get to see him again after so long, but I’m not that keen on the idea of squeezing another person in here if I’m honest, because I’m under no illusions about how difficult it will be to get them a rental place. So I fear we’ll end up with him just living with us too. We do have another guest room they can spread into, but it would leave us without any guest space for visiting in-laws, and we could no longer fit everyone round the kitchen table so would change the dynamic.

But hey ho. I feel we have to do it, really. They are lovely people and it has been a pleasure hosting them.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 31/10/2022 09:18

I think we said a year initially so we haven’t said anything about extending.

Really nice to hear positive stories.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 31/10/2022 10:35

We committed to 6 months and have said we'd extend to 8 or 9, which would take us to December, but I'm also concerned our guests will struggle to find a private rental particularly as there's been a lot of talk about people wanting their homes back in time for Christmas so they'll be looking just as the market gets flooded.

There's also the issue of them going back to Ukraine for visits, one got back last week and another left on Saturday so the council representative who wants to talk about 'next steps' with them is struggling to set a meeting date they can all attend.

I'm really pissed off with some elements of the press painting hosts as ogre's for wanting their homes back after the initially requested 6 months are up. Seemingly forgetting that all the initial publicity requested 6 month placements. Some of the btl comments on this are awful too (no doubt made by people who aren't sharing their homes) I do think now we were all a bit naive to think 6 months would be a magic bullet but in my mind I thought 'we can do this for 6 months' now I feel pressured to offer our home for longer. Our Ukrainian guests are lovely but we need our space back.

LoliLouToo · 31/10/2022 12:55

My guest is welcome to stay as long as she likes. Neither her or me and my husband have any idea of her future plans. I don't think she is even looking past next week. She is settled in our house, has a full time job and is enjoying it.

It is working really well for us all, she is like our daughter really. We really care for her.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 31/10/2022 13:40

That's lovely LoliLou, a real success story 🥰

Tulipomania · 31/10/2022 13:44

Love to read these positive stories. My neighbours have 3 adults staying with them (2 are siblings) and I think it's been a real success for them too.

CookieDoughKid · 09/11/2022 21:11

@DesdamonasHandkerchief how's the guests househunting going?

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 10/11/2022 01:35

@CookieDoughKid One of our guests has moved into a house share with some friends she met over here, which seems to be going well.
The other two are hoping to find a new host or a private rental together, although one of them is in Ukraine this week so not much progress being made atm!

CookieDoughKid · 11/11/2022 21:38

@DesdamonasHandkerchief It does sound like a step in the right direction though!

Dunedinmum · 20/11/2022 16:17

Hello, I wish I had found this thread months ago. I am going quietly crazy and I feel like I'm in a horrid catch 22 of my own making so am not entitled to complain. My guests have been with us 7 months now, have been earning for 5 months and have had no expenses. I have been giving them a portion of the thank you payment toward a deposit to rent somewhere. There is very limited rental housing in our area and I have explained many times that they will not qualify for a council house as we have a 3 Yr waiting list locally. Everytime I forward an advert for rent it is too expensive (£600/month), or too far from the school, and again they revert to 'our friends at the ukrainian club say we should get...'. I am massively sympathetic to their situation which is why my family started hosting to start with, but I feel that unless I give them a hard date to leave they will continue to make no effort in the delusion someone will present them a council house. I don't want to make anyone homeless but I have children and the dynamic between their child and mine is deteriorating, partly due to the many cultural differences referenced in this thread. They are also taking their child to Ukraine, to a war zone, 'for a holiday' which I cannot reconcile after all the support they were given to get here and be safe. Is there anything I should be doing to better explain the state of social housing in the UK?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 20/11/2022 16:30

Welcome Dunedinmum.

  1. I think you should give them a hard date to leave. If it’s affecting your family and they do have other options, ie can afford an acceptable even if not ideal rental, you don’t need to continue. (Actually you don’t have to continue even if they don’t have obvious options, but it sounds like they do.)
  2. I wouldn’t get too hung up on their trip to Ukraine. There’s a big difference between going somewhere briefly and living there, full time, with children. Large parts of Ukraine have been safe and normal for months, and then suddenly Putin decides to target the electricity supply and things become difficult there again. It’s not as clearcut as unsafe war zone/not a war zone.
CookieDoughKid · 20/11/2022 16:50

Definitely agree with hard end date. I'd stop with giving them money and start asking them for a contribution, minimum a £100 is my guidance. From the sounds of it you have more than one guest.

I've given my guests a hard end date and they have positively responded to it. It's now spurring them on to sort themselves out.

VenusClapTrap · 21/11/2022 08:33

Hello Dunedin.

My guests (mum and teen daughter) have also been here 7 months and it’s all been fine - so far. We are very fond of them and they've become part of the family. But two weeks ago out of the blue they told me delightedly that their husband/Dad now has permission to leave Ukraine and would we sponsor him. I didn’t really feel like I could say no. And they said they would find a rental place.

The visa came through like a rocket. They booked a flight. He will be here this week. I’m really happy for them that they will see him again after so long, but to be honest I’m dreading it. I don’t want a strange man in my house, it will change the dynamic and I won’t feel able to pootle about in my pyjamas any more. I’ll have to get the dc to close the bathroom door and not streak naked from there to their bedrooms. We will no longer all fit round the kitchen table. It’s more coats and shoes piling up in the hall.

Petty things really, in the face of escaping war, and I feel bad for feeling like this. It’s been keeping me awake at night, both the dread and the guilt.

I sat and had a chat with them last night, about their options for renting. Showed them Rightmove and what’s available for their budget. They had been told by other Ukrainians they could get a big house in our village for £1k a week - not a chance! The reality is a tower block flat in a nearby town. Poor teen cried - she likes our village and has a nice little dog walking hustle. Poor kid. I felt awful.

I’ve put the word out in the hope of finding someone with a annexe who will take a reduced rent. People are kind here, it’s a small village and my guests are known to be nice people. But I’m not optimistic and it’s all making me feel a bit depressed.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 21/11/2022 09:32

‘Petty things really, in the face of escaping war, and I feel bad for feeling like this. It’s been keeping me awake at night, both the dread and the guilt.’

No! You don’t have anything to feel guilty about!
This idea that hosts are not allowed to have feelings because it’s insignificant compared with escaping war is the enemy of successful hosting imo.
You are doing your best to support them in finding somewhere suitable. You don’t have an obligation to have people in your home, long term, in a way that doesn’t work for you.

With luck the situation will resolve itself when they get here- either it will be not as bad as you fear or it will be obvious to them that they will be better off in their own place. If they are nice people they will probably have the sensitivity to see that and won’t want to impose.
Or someone will come up with an annex- fingers crossed for that.

However the arrangements that work do so because the dynamics and conditions are right, not because the hosts are saintly and repress their feelings about finding it difficult. If the dynamic turns out to no longer work another solution will be better.

It will be ok. Several of our local families have moved on and it is working out and they are still friends.

star162 · 21/11/2022 16:16

Hi @Dunedinmum Really sorry to hear about your situation. It is such a difficult balance to strike and every situation is different, but I totally agree with others that a hard end date for your arrangement is the only thing that will make a difference. I think there is a lot of misinformation that some guests are relying on in making their decisions. There was nothing we could do to persuade our guest that she would not get a flat on housing benefit (she isn't working), or one using housing benefit plus a hefty monthly supplement by the council, in the city we live in and that she would have to move outside the city (with a free bus pass). She was told this so many times by the council and by us, but chose to turn down flats which the council found for her (private rented, but they were doing all the finding because she refused to - they were also loaning her the deposit etc). She was warned about the likelihood of ending up in temporary emergency accommodation. We gave her a hard end date with 6 weeks notice at the end of the 6 months, partly because the relationship had broken down (after she complained to the council that she couldn't live with our requests to supervise her son), partly because we could see that nothing was going to focus her otherwise. In fact she had asked us to tell the council we were kicking her out because she thought she'd get more favourable accommodation this way. Anyway, predictably, and despite all the warnings, she didn't accept any flats and so last week her and her young son ended up going into emergency accommodation. It's a horrid outcome for him, but we and the others involved are really hoping it kick starts her into realising that she isn't going to get more than what she has already been offered.

So, I think if you keep it open ended with your guests, they will just keep on as they are. It is only when reality hits that they will let go of the idea that there is some better option out there. You have done so much for them already and have nothing to feel bad about. I went through a lot of the same thoughts, especially with our guest's child, but ultimately it is not your responsibility to provide for them now that they are settled and working. That is up to them. I would stop giving them any of the welcome payment and I would give them a realistic end date. There is no reason why that should cause a breakdown in the relationship. Winter has arrived so your hosting costs will have gone up and you never said they could stay forever. If they are reasonable people, they will understand. If they do not, that is not your fault and reflects on them, not you. Good luck.

I too found this thread enormously helpful for my sanity when our situation deteriorated, so thanks so much to everyone on here for your support and kind and wise words. I am so relieved that our guests have left, our home feels like our home again and I don't have to deal with hostility on a daily basis. I don't regret hosting, it was a good thing to do and I learnt a lot along the way as did my family. I think we just got unlucky and whilst I worry about the boy, I had finally come to the realisation there was nothing else we could do for him.

WTF475878237NC · 22/11/2022 18:23

My guests (mum and teen daughter) have also been here 7 months and it’s all been fine - so far. We are very fond of them and they've become part of the family. But two weeks ago out of the blue they told me delightedly that their husband/Dad now has permission to leave Ukraine and would we sponsor him. I didn’t really feel like I could say no. And they said they would find a rental place.

^ We said no when asked last month. I'm so glad we did. Yes it caused upset for a week but far better for us in the long run. We didn't want another adult in the home, especially a man. We also worried it would reduce the incentive to move to longer term accommodation if they had everything they needed under our roof.

WTF475878237NC · 22/11/2022 18:24

star162 that's such a shame but you did everything you could to try to prevent it.

VenusClapTrap · 22/11/2022 19:15

I wish I’d said no now. The more I think about it the more dread I feel. He was supposed to arrive today but the trains are all messed up so he couldn’t get to the airport. I spent more time following up leads re rentals for them. Had another chat about what’s available. I think I’ve made it clear that when he arrives, they need to move.

Xenia · 22/11/2022 19:22

star you did all you could and at least the UK tax payer is paying to house them even if it is just emergency housing (or they pay paying for it in full - I don't know).....

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 24/11/2022 19:13

Hope you’re ok Venus, that it’s not too awful and the signs are good for it being short lived.

VenusClapTrap · 25/11/2022 07:10

Thanks Countess. He missed his flight so didn’t get here. There have been major problems with power outages so the trains weren’t running, so he’s stuck in Kharkiv. They have no idea when/if that will change. My lady was very sad he didn’t make it here for her birthday yesterday, and the phone lines weren’t working so she couldn’t talk to her mum either.

I feel both relieved and sad for them.

VenusClapTrap · 25/11/2022 07:11

Relieved for me I mean.

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