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To actively try for twins?

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TerryJ94 · 12/05/2022 14:38

Posting for traffic, new user so apologies if things aren’t formatted properly or I use the codes wrongly!!

DH and I are a few days away from our embryo transfer in our first round of IVF. We found out today that since we are paying privately we are not bound by the NHS ‘Rules’ around only implanting one embryo for our first attempt based on age (I am 28, and the NHS guide that for a first try anyone under 40 doesn’t have more than one transferred)

this has thrown us as we had always assumed based on what we read that since it’s likely we would have one clear ‘winning’ embryo we wouldn’t get much of a choice in the matter, but now we have a choice to make and I’m looking for advice or guidance or something.

We know there are risks for multiple pregnancies, but would we be unreasonable for actively trying to get a multiple when we have the chance to?

To avoid a drip feed -

DH has always only wanted one child, but has said this was mainly due to practical reasons around house size, we are both career focused so multiple leaves etc. was also a concern (we are splitting our leave as we fully believe it’s as much his job as mine to take time out to raise our child(ren) in those first 12 months) however with twins that does eradicate pretty much half of his reservations with having more than one child.

I am much more keen on the idea than he is, but he isn’t 100% against it, if he was dead set against the idea it wouldn’t even be a consideration.

We both earn well and I have 6 months fully paid mat leave through work, he has 3 months full pay for his paternity leave which he can take any time in the first 12 months, financially we can afford 2 children easily. If for whatever reason we split I could more than cover our mortgage, nursery fees etc. for both children myself so there is no financial concerns for the future at this stage anyway.

I have a supportive family and my mum has already agreed to take 2 months off next year to move in and support with the baby, my younger brother is also very supportive and would come to help if need be too after this 2 month period ends.

my only concerns are am I being ridiculous thinking this is a good idea, will I look back at myself and laugh at how great twin life would be.

It is of course not 100% certain we will get twins but our clinic has advised based on how well our embryos are developing (17 out of 19 fertilised and 10 are ‘top quality’ based on the clinics grading system) we’d have a 65-75% chance of both sticking if two were transferred.

I personally see this as my only guaranteed way to at least try to have 2 children, DH could be worked on but there is no guarantee he would be up for another round in a few years time, especially if life changes and it makes sense to stick to one.

DH is more practical on the matter and has said he isn’t saying no, but he definitely would prefer just one embryo to be transferred, greatly prefer it in fact, and that the risks associated with a multiple pregnancy worry him, I lost a close female relative during child birth a few years ago and this has really scarred him, Frankly it took a lot to get him used to the idea of trying in general as he convinced himself I would die.

So twin mums please tell me if this is crazy, anyone else also chip in as I am genuinely so confused and desperate for unbiased views (as my family are definitely in the more the merrier camp!)

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Merryoldgoat · 12/05/2022 14:42

Personally I wouldn’t but that’s just me - I found it hard enough with one baby at a time.

Can I ask why you are having IVF? I have three friends who had their first using IVF and conceived their second naturally so is that an option?

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 12/05/2022 14:44

You do realise a twin pregnancy and birth is much more high risk.

123walrus · 12/05/2022 14:45

@Merryoldgoat No one has IVF to save the bother of having sex.

mynameiscalypso · 12/05/2022 14:46

I'm surprised your clinic would allow this. We had a similar number of high quality fertilised embryos and there was never any discussion about transferring more than one. The only times I've been aware of it happening is when there are two poor quality embryos which would also be unlikely to survive freezing. I'm also really surprised about the stats the clinic has given you and I'm convinced that they're right personally - or at least not without a lot of caveats.

Foldinthecheese · 12/05/2022 14:46

I have twins, entirely by chance, and I think it’s great! But it is A LOT, especially in the early days. It isn’t uncommon for relationships to end because of the challenges of parenting. Would your husband feel resentful if you pushed for two to be transferred, they were successful and twin parenthood turned out to be really challenging? What if they had additional needs? How would you cope if one of the embryos split and you ended up with triplets? Am I correct in thinking this is possible? Anyway, I just don’t know if this is something you should do if you aren’t both fully on board.

IKnewPrufrockBeforeHeGotFamous · 12/05/2022 14:47

I don’t know why you’d consider making your pregnancy riskier than necessary, especially an IVF pregnancy (so presumably you couldn’t conceive naturally)

Thursday37 · 12/05/2022 14:47

I wouldn’t take the risk.

But I’m more baffled that you are moving your mother in for 2 months post birth? Madness. You want people
out of your bubble not in it. That’s a fast way to end up divorced….help is lovely but not 24/7. Babies are very hard on relationships

TerryJ94 · 12/05/2022 14:49

Merryoldgoat · 12/05/2022 14:42

Personally I wouldn’t but that’s just me - I found it hard enough with one baby at a time.

Can I ask why you are having IVF? I have three friends who had their first using IVF and conceived their second naturally so is that an option?

My husband had to have surgical sperm retrieval due to surgery to remove cancerous cells down there, we could have gone for IUI, but I wanted to pay a bit more and get better chances. His sperm quality is great, my eggs are fine but the mechanics for him to get it to me is not great

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123walrus · 12/05/2022 14:49

Back to the question. I had IVF and so considered this issue. I was worried about the risk associated with carrying twins and I was also keen to keep any ‘spare’ embryos for future rounds if the first one didn’t work. Sometimes good embryos don’t take and the clinic need to make changes to your medication or protocol to increase the chances. It sounds like you’re heading for a good number of freezeable embryos but it’s still a consideration. But really the choice is yours and your DH’s.

TerryJ94 · 12/05/2022 14:50

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 12/05/2022 14:44

You do realise a twin pregnancy and birth is much more high risk.

Yep, said it in the fourth paragraph and at the end.

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TerryJ94 · 12/05/2022 14:52

mynameiscalypso · 12/05/2022 14:46

I'm surprised your clinic would allow this. We had a similar number of high quality fertilised embryos and there was never any discussion about transferring more than one. The only times I've been aware of it happening is when there are two poor quality embryos which would also be unlikely to survive freezing. I'm also really surprised about the stats the clinic has given you and I'm convinced that they're right personally - or at least not without a lot of caveats.

They didn’t offer it as a choice off the batt, their view is one to be transferred, but I asked and they did say as I’m a private patient the final decision is mine (well ours) as we aren’t bound by the rules NHS patient's have to abide by. They were sheepish about it, so it seems more of a ‘loophole’ over something they’d actively promote that people have a decision about

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Merryoldgoat · 12/05/2022 14:52

TerryJ94 · 12/05/2022 14:49

My husband had to have surgical sperm retrieval due to surgery to remove cancerous cells down there, we could have gone for IUI, but I wanted to pay a bit more and get better chances. His sperm quality is great, my eggs are fine but the mechanics for him to get it to me is not great

In that case given your ages and health I would stick to one and try again later if you really wanted another.

Stickytreacle · 12/05/2022 14:53

I think you've got to take your husband's wishes and concerns into account here. Carrying a single pregnancy will be less prone to complications for you and baby. As much as people say that they are there to support and help out, the reality can be very different, and I'm a big believer in not entering into anything that you wouldn't be able to deal with yourselves.
Also worth considering the additional costs of two vs one. If life changes in the future, then surely you'd be in a better position with just one?
Don't underestimate the work involved with two would be my advice!

TerryJ94 · 12/05/2022 14:54

Foldinthecheese · 12/05/2022 14:46

I have twins, entirely by chance, and I think it’s great! But it is A LOT, especially in the early days. It isn’t uncommon for relationships to end because of the challenges of parenting. Would your husband feel resentful if you pushed for two to be transferred, they were successful and twin parenthood turned out to be really challenging? What if they had additional needs? How would you cope if one of the embryos split and you ended up with triplets? Am I correct in thinking this is possible? Anyway, I just don’t know if this is something you should do if you aren’t both fully on board.

Thank you for this, yes the added strain is definitely something I am worried about, this would be our first pregnancy and so I am 100% confident I am slightly romanticising the idea to some degree and I’d end up some form of mess due to the stress of it all. But I can’t get the idea out of my mind. Definitely a risk of one splitting and becoming triplets, have seen a couple of posts on the pregnancy and conception boards recently from parents where this has happened so something in the ‘con’ column

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TerryJ94 · 12/05/2022 14:56

IKnewPrufrockBeforeHeGotFamous · 12/05/2022 14:47

I don’t know why you’d consider making your pregnancy riskier than necessary, especially an IVF pregnancy (so presumably you couldn’t conceive naturally)

if my husband could get the stuff out we would have no reason to not conceive naturally. We are relatively young, my eggs are great, his sperm is good

only risk would be the number of children and the natural risks of multiple pregnancies. Which we have been sent a whole booklet on by the clinic after we discussed this earlier after getting our good day 3 results.

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vivainsomnia · 12/05/2022 14:56

It makes complete sense to me. Sperm retrieval is painful and IVF is stressful. Frozen embryos have less chances and you're paying for it all.

People have twins and get on with it. You and your oh would to. How would you feel if you only go for one and it doesn't work? You'll regret not having tried two. Statistically, you're still more likely to only have one.

Go for it and good luck.

rainbowandglitter · 12/05/2022 14:57

Thursday37 · 12/05/2022 14:47

I wouldn’t take the risk.

But I’m more baffled that you are moving your mother in for 2 months post birth? Madness. You want people
out of your bubble not in it. That’s a fast way to end up divorced….help is lovely but not 24/7. Babies are very hard on relationships

This was my first thought.

Twinmum12 · 12/05/2022 14:58

I have twins conceived naturally and i think you'd be mad. Twins are 3 times the work of one baby. The early days were just about survival and i don't really remember much about their first few years, it went by in a fog of exhaustion and tiredness. They're 5 now and they've always been lovely in themselves but my god its been bloody hard looking after two children at once. Two babies vs one parent, both crying, both needing nappies changing or feeding, both waking up through the night. Then they start toddling and you need four pairs of eyes and 8 pairs of hands. Can't really carry them in a sling past the very tiny baby stage as they're very heavy, double buggies are a pain. Its difficult to properly enjoy your child when the other one is kicking off about something. Then that one calms down, the other one starts. Or both having a tantrum at the same time in public.

So no. I wouldn't advise anyone to deliberately have twins. Its such constant hard work. Utterly relentless. You'd be mad to do it.

TerryJ94 · 12/05/2022 14:59

Thursday37 · 12/05/2022 14:47

I wouldn’t take the risk.

But I’m more baffled that you are moving your mother in for 2 months post birth? Madness. You want people
out of your bubble not in it. That’s a fast way to end up divorced….help is lovely but not 24/7. Babies are very hard on relationships

DH loves my mum, she has lived with us before after I had surgery a few years ago and needed looking after. and it went really well, DH was relieved to have the support with me out of action at home, he never had to do less in his life and often asks when she can come up again, due to her superior bolognaise recipe (the cheek!)

he’d also most likely appreciate the help if we did have 2! 6 hands better than 4 and all that.

the first thing he asked when I suggested having 2 transferred was whether mum would agree to stay for longer if we did.

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rainbowandglitter · 12/05/2022 15:00

rainbowandglitter · 12/05/2022 14:57

This was my first thought.

Sorry not sure what happened there. That was to @thursday37 comment.
Are you moving your mum un regardless or only if a twin pregnancy?

BigSandyBalls2015 · 12/05/2022 15:00

Go for it, twins are fab.

Although, saying that, mine are now 21 so perhaps I'm looking back with rose tinted specs on! Undoubtedly it's hard work, but then so is a newborn and a toddler.

katedan · 12/05/2022 15:02

I have twins naturally and it is definitely harder but doable, however under ivf the embryos can split so 2 babies could be 4!! I know unlikely but can happen!

CounsellorTroi · 12/05/2022 15:02

We found out today that since we are paying privately we are not bound by the NHS ‘Rules’ around only implanting one embryo for our first attempt based on age (I am 28, and the NHS guide that for a first try anyone under 40 doesn’t have more than one transferred)

Are you sure about this? It's the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority not the NHS who regulate fertility treatment and the private sector is not exempt from its guidelines and rules.

Glittertwins · 12/05/2022 15:02

We only had two viable embryos at the end so both were implanted. Had serious HG during pregnancy but nothing else and they are perfectly healthy

Merryoldgoat · 12/05/2022 15:02

But I’m more baffled that you are moving your mother in for 2 months post birth? Madness. You want people out of your bubble not in it. That’s a fast way to end up divorced….help is lovely but not 24/7. Babies are very hard on relationships

Maybe in your experience. In mine we had either MIL or my Aunt everyday for about 2 months. They were extremely helpful and kind and formed strong bonds with the baby.

It helped me to heal, rest and get used to everything.

If I’d have had the space I’d have definitely had someone move in to help.

My kids weren’t hard on my marriage and we’re not nearly divorced.