To hope Amber Heard is lying?

[roadsweep]

Otherwise it's just another abused woman that's not believed.

Are you for real?

This is not a criminal court.

It's a libel court.

Amber wrote absolute nonsense about him raping her with a bottle and he is suing. SHe is counter suing. one will get 50 million, the other 100.

I'm intrigued that people think its OK for Johnny to relive his finger being cut off, being taunted about not being believed, taunted about his mother abusing him and his children, but it's not OK for Amber to face questioning.

I dont doubt Johnny drank and took drugs. She knew that when she married him. They had a toxic , abusive relationship.

The fact she is a woman does not give her entitlement to backing I'm afraid.

BeyondPurpleTulips · 11/05/2022 20:38

"Fwiw misssatan, I’ve experienced an abusive female relationship, and I’ve also lived with an addict. I’m lucky enough to have experience of both 😕

So there is no “women never abuse” coming from my posts - I just find her version of the story more plausible than his 🤷🏼‍♀️"

There might not be from yours, but there certainly is from other people's. And those who grudgingly admit women can be abusive still use a balance of probabilities based on cherry picked statistics or feminist dogma about men and women as groups to judge individual an man and woman.

We all interpret the world based on our experiences and perceived similarities between one person and another but that alone isn't enough to determine someone's guilt or innocence.

I'm curious why you find her story more plausible given what she has admitted on tape and all the witnesses pointing out what a liar she is not to mention her hopeless, embarrassing overacting on the stand. I honestly don't know how you could believe she isn't an abuser even if you think he is one too.

NeneValleyGirl · 11/05/2022 21:56

"That’s a pointless statement. My violent ex had a long term girlfriend before me. He never laid a hand on her. But he was controlling in other ways."

It's not a guarantee of innocence certainly but it does compare more favourably to Heard who has a history of domestic violence against her ex girlfriend and her sister as well as being verbally abusive to those who worked for her.

she was abusive in past to her partners

No, she was not. She was arrested once for supposedly hitting her girlfriend, but the girlfriend herself said it was just an argument that was blown out of proportion by a homophonic cop who saw them arguing. She wasn’t charged with anything.

LaLaKickSticks · 12/05/2022 11:05

"No, she was not. She was arrested once for supposedly hitting her girlfriend, but the girlfriend herself said it was just an argument that was blown out of proportion by a homophonic cop who saw them arguing. She wasn’t charged with anything."

She hit her girlfriend and the cop was a lesbian. She also hit her sister and the bruises were visible to the other women on some reality show she was on. She is also verbally abusive to almost everyone around her, especially those who work for her, such as her ex-assistant. She even got into a fight with her ex-friend Rocky. There is a real pattern emerging here.

Very few people who know her have good things to say about Heard. That isn't the case with Depp.

Hi @P00rKids, that quote is not me, I think @misssatan said that.

So you STILL have no links to back up your bull shit made up statistics? OK.

Indicatrice · 12/05/2022 11:42

"So you STILL have no links to back up your bull shit made up statistics? OK."

I posted links in the previous thread on this topic and I see no reason to again when you make no effort to defend your position and are so unpleasant as well.

You can wallow in your ignorance and prejudice as much as you want. It's not as if anything would ever convince you anyway.

@misssatan what previous thread?

Just admit you made it up and let’s be done with this.

As I said upthread, the stats misssatan is referring to do exist, however to get the figure of 40% they include (women) nagging as on par with physical violence from men. Yes, mental abuse is a thing and could include nagging - in an extreme form - as part of it. But how many men claim that they are being nagged by their wives on a daily basis, that aren't being abused?

Hence there is a big issue in the validity of that one study - as a measure of domestic abuse.

'HeadNorth
A UK Court has found that Depp abused her on 12 occasions. He sent texts about fucking her burnt corpse. Why does everyone think she is lying? Not true.'

What's not true about that?

The cop witnessed it and was not homophonic cop as she was gay herself? She spent a night in jail, Why r people still saying this?

'If you bothered to have an open mind and looked at the statistics you will find around 40% of domestic abuse is suffered by men and women are more frequently the instigators of violence in the home. They are also more violent as a group to children and violent to other women as well. I know this from personal experience. '

I've read some piles of absolute shite on Mumsnet but this is the worst. I imagine these threads must be attracting MRAs keen to make it look as though women all love and support Johnny Depp/normalise domestic violence against women and blame women for when it does happen.

'This is not a criminal court. It's a libel court. Amber wrote absolute nonsense about him raping her with a bottle and he is suing.'

Firstly, she didn't write about that. Secondly, how do you know it's nonsense? Were you there?

BeyondPurpleTulips · 12/05/2022 14:37

"As I said upthread, the stats misssatan is referring to do exist, however to get the figure of 40% they include (women) nagging as on par with physical violence from men."

No, it refers to physical violence not verbal abuse. A very significant proportion of men, somewhere around a third or more of victims of domestic violence are male and most of those are in heterosexual relationships.

Death rates are lower for men, something around a fifth of deaths from DV are male although men are the main victim of murders and violence overall. Mothers physically abuse children more than fathers but there are more male paedophiles, although the numbers of female sexual abusers is on the rise as more people report it.

Under-reporting of DV will be a factor for both sexes but it's likely to be higher for men due to the fact they're less likely to be believed (as witness bigots like Indicatrice) and far more likely to be shamed or feel shame about it.

I belive johnny depp I'm not a fan I don't actually think I've seen a whole film of his. I believed they were both as bad at start of this. I have completed changed my opnion. I have watched most of the court case so far. She has main a point of saying she is against cocaine , and her nurse has written in her notes she has a cocaine addiction herself! A few times when she spoke about her experience she drops in a line of I done this when it would not make sense and she should have said he done that , one time she was saying depp grabbed her and she said something then she let go of him when if he was grabbing on to her it would be him doing the letting go, another time a behaviour specialist on you tube who has video explaining the 2nd, she lied about all the divorce money going to charity when it hasn't. Her "expert witness" went to great lengths to relay what depp had supposedly done but actually at some points speaking in first person which is completely inappropriate and unprofessional, she also was completely bias only referring to woman as victim and man as abuser, she said she had covered 50 cases and didn't understand she couldn't use her notes while being a witness , which someone who had done multiple court cases would know! Amber has gone in to great detail about supposed abuse and then shows photo of depp alseep/passed out. And her team has refused to hand over megadata which shows the true date and if they the photos have been edited over to depps team even when there was a court order, there is a court document showing what is wrong. The court needs to do something about that.
I would say the general public are not stupid as people seem to thing. People are seeing with their own eyes the holes in Amber's story. They do not have to be depp fans or bots!

I would like to say as I've explained this on another post, I am not saying abuse victims should only be believed if they have photos, I'm saying if you have these horrific injuries like u r claiming then why is she not taking photos to show and feel need to photo depp.

DressingGownofDoom · 12/05/2022 16:38

"I've read some piles of absolute shite on Mumsnet but this is the worst. I imagine these threads must be attracting MRAs keen to make it look as though women all love and support Johnny Depp/normalise domestic violence against women and blame women for when it does happen."

Your own posts provide ample examples of absolute shite.

I am not an MRA, I am a gay woman who was physically abused by a woman and have very little time for idiot feminists who deny women are abusive and automatically believe a woman rather than a man simply because they are a woman, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

That kind of sexism is all too common in feminist circles and disgusts most people which is why most women don't want anything to do with feminism although they are very keen on women's rights.

MRAs are very similar to feminists, you just take a feminist text and replace the word woman with man. Both groups make valid points on occasion but are overwhelmed with bigots and fools.

my thoughts are they're both toxic, but i firmly believe Depp was the one being actively abused.

Have you SEEN the photos of him during the relationship? He's dead behind the eyes, pale, either overweight or frail, never smiled.. she is constantly RADIENT. - here (yes its tiktok, but proves the point) www.tiktok.com/@bryonywilburn/video/7096388142768344325?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7053018588941272582

He's the one come out of this missing part of his finger, he's the one with previous spouses and kids who said he's never been abusive.

You can't just assume she is the victim because she's a woman..

His appeal that failed has nothing to do with this. That was him against NGN/Dan Wootton. AH was merely a witness.

This trial he is suing her alone.
Everyone thinks it's a vicious circus, poor her. Actually JD wanted it to be televised, so that people could get the info for themselves. Not be fed a narrative by the one sided media.
She tried to stop it from happening.
She lost.

Actually, he ended things as he couldn't take anymore of her abuse. She was worried he would file. So filed first.

'Most women' aren't interested in feminism? What else have you got in your big bag of sweeping generalisations and made up statistics?

It was a civil trial in the UK. You can't be found guilty in a civil trial. It's substantially true or not.

The issue isn't that she didn't record him allegedly beating her. It's the fact that she took a lot of photographs of property damage afterwards, but none of injuries she supposedly sustained.
Why was the property so important. Because she has nothing else, just lies.