To hope Amber Heard is lying?

[roadsweep]

Otherwise it's just another abused woman that's not believed.

"You keep trying to force the narrative that as many men are abused as women, this is patently not true, however many posts you hijack with this nonsense"

Spoken like a true feminist.

There is no hijack. Feminists like yourself and Queen Camilla are making the case that Depp must be the abuser because he has more 'male power' or some such ideological nonsense. That false position needs to be corrected.

If you bothered to have an open mind and looked at the statistics you will find around 40% of domestic abuse is suffered by men and women are more frequently the instigators of violence in the home. They are also more violent as a group to children and violent to other women as well. I know this from personal experience.

Whatever you think about Depp and the likelihood that he was abusive as well there is more than enough evidence to show that Heard is an abuser and Depp was abused by her.

Why do you choose to pretend otherwise?

Ah yes, the 40% stat that includes "nagging" (women>men) on the same level as choking someone (guess what men>women)... 🙄

Check your sources, they're highly dodgy.

Exactly, but nothing will convince the president of the Johnny Depp fanclub @misssatan of even considering this.

Oh I know - I'm replying purely for the benefit of the lurkers who are less... indoctrinated 😄

BeyondPurpleTulips · 10/05/2022 12:30

"Ah yes, the 40% stat that includes "nagging" (women>men) on the same level as choking someone (guess what men>women)... 🙄

Check your sources, they're highly dodgy."

Given that quite a few delicate souls on here think that slamming kitchen doors counts as serious abuse it wouldn't be very hard to re-frame 'nagging' as verbal abuse.

However, I'm talking about physical abuse and only physical abuse in which women play a significant part as instigators and primary/soul abusers.

You should get out of feminist echo chambers and into the real world sometime. Those of us who have experienced violent abuse from women know that not all women should be believed simply because they are women and not all women are poor, oppressed, downtrodden angels.

@misssatan

If you bothered to have an open mind and looked at the statistics you will find around 40% of domestic abuse is suffered by men and women are more frequently the instigators of violence in the home. They are also more violent as a group to children and violent to other women as well. I know this from personal experience.

What a load of made-up bollocks.

@misssatan

If you bothered to have an open mind and looked at the statistics you will find around 40% of domestic abuse is suffered by men and women are more frequently the instigators of violence in the home. They are also more violent as a group to children and violent to other women as well. I know this from personal experience.

"What a load of made-up bollocks."

Wow, what a devastating argument.

Why not actually research the subject? Afraid to learn something you don't like?

@misssatan hahaha, you’re the one 2
writing bullshit statistics, the onus is on YOU to post the research links.

I know you won’t because they’re all bullshit, as I’ve actually read the ONS statistics.

She's probably telling some kind of truth about being abused only it's not by him, JD.

It's how people pass lie detector tests.

They tell a truth just not the real truth about the current matter in hand

Indicatrice · 10/05/2022 23:59

"hahaha, you’re the one 2
writing bullshit statistics, the onus is on YOU to post the research links. I know you won’t because they’re all bullshit, as I’ve actually read the ONS statistics."

Actually the onus is on you to prove your argument and back it up with statistics. You and the others like you are making the claim that Depp is the abuser and Heard the abused based on the assertion that men are almost always the abuser and women almost always the abused, something which simply isn't true.

Even if that were true such an identitarian approach doesn't prove anything as people are individuals not merely parts of a group who all think and act alike. We already know Heard is abusive and an habitual abuser. All that remains is to decide whether Depp was violent in that relationship or not.

@misssatan

Actually the onus is on you to prove your argument and back it up with statistics.

So you've made the four statements below and the onus is on me to prove my argument, and none on you to back up your made up crap? You are cute in your delirium.

• 40% of domestic abuse is suffered by men and
• women are more frequently the instigators of violence in the home.
• They are also more violent as a group to children
• and violent to other women as well. I

I believe her and agree with most of the comments on here. I loved Johnny Depp, I literally thought, “No! Not him, not Johnny Depp!!” Instantly had a strong urge not to believe her. And that’s after having experienced how crazy abuse actually is!

I think when someone goes to the trouble of repeatedly trying to record conversations - then that’s pretty desperate. Why would u actually want to record conversations? It’s because those conversations are all going completely and totally wrong. Whether it’s blatant lies, denials, gaslighting, verbal abuse - there is something - some strong reason to want to record it. A strong urge to want to identify/establish/prove what is causing problems in the marriage - in the heat of the moment. Problems that could be rectified and things could move forward (if both parties wanted to). I assume Johnny Depp didn’t want to address/rectify these problems and Amber did.

I found myself in a similar position once. Can’t stress enough how a simple recording could have ironed out so much confusion. However, in my case, every device I used got smashed up as it escalated. It’s too horrible and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. That’s why I believe her.

My replies seem to be going missing. I don't know if I'm being censored.

P00rKids · 11/05/2022 16:26

"I found myself in a similar position once. Can’t stress enough how a simple recording could have ironed out so much confusion. However, in my case, every device I used got smashed up as it escalated. It’s too horrible and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. That’s why I believe her."

I fail to follow your logic. I think the decision to record each other was largely mutual. And how do you explain the recordings of her mocking him and saying he wasn't punched, merely hit?

I understand how you could believe the violence was mutual but not how you can ignore her admitted violence and endless lies, not to mention her terrible acting on the stand. More and more evidence is coming out in and around this trial showing what a liar she is. There's even a recording of the bottle throwing/finger cutting incident in which she admits it was her.

Erm ..no.

It’s like I said - I’ve been there. You don’t understand my logic because you haven’t. Fair enough. I can recognise what he is doing. And his ‘laughing’ yea I got that small detail. And all this talk of, “poo on the bed” “it’s her poo, it’s this big etc”. Classic disgusting humiliation to drag it out in court and media. It’s all disgusting. The most disgusting thing to shut her up. I see Amber Heard as being honest. I don’t think honesty always goes very far when you’re fighting men like this. Maybe time to take a leaf out of their book and just bullshit and laugh your way out. Tbh I don’t like talking about this case at all, so I’m bowing out.

oh except it’s not funny

“She’s elaborate” or “both as bad as each other” pisses me right off. He’s just a dick, his texts do prove that.

Indicatrice · 11/05/2022

"So you've made the four statements below and the onus is on me to prove my argument, and none on you to back up your made up crap? You are cute in your delirium."

Yes, because my claims about female violence aren't central to my belief that Heard is the abuser. My experience of female abuse allows me to believe that a woman like Heard can be an abuser and the evidence I see and hear convinces me she is.

Your belief that she is the abused are based in a belief that domestic violence is entirely, or almost entirely, a matter of men beating women. So you would need to prove that to be credible.

By the way, are you always so ill mannered? It's perfectly possible to disagree with people, even passionately, without being a dick about it.

P00rKids · 11/05/2022 20:16

"It’s like I said - I’ve been there. You don’t understand my logic because you haven’t."

Two can play that game. No, I haven't been the victim of violence from a man but I have been the victim of abuse from a woman and I recognise behaviour from her which remind me of my abuser. That in itself isn't enough. I also go by the evidence, her own words on the tapes as well as witnesses who show what a liar she is.

Fwiw misssatan, I’ve experienced an abusive female relationship, and I’ve also lived with an addict. I’m lucky enough to have experience of both 😕

So there is no “women never abuse” coming from my posts - I just find her version of the story more plausible than his 🤷🏼‍♀️

Should watch Tik Tok, it's interesting what they have to say about Amber.

None of his ex-partners have come forward to say that he behaved that way with them

That’s a pointless statement.

My violent ex had a long term girlfriend before me. He never laid a hand on her. But he was controlling in other ways.

@misssatan

Yes you’re right that two can play game, I think you’ll find that @Indicatrice just did:

My experience of female abuse allows me to believe that a woman like Heard can be an abuser and the evidence I see and hear convinces me she is.

Could you elaborate please @Indicatrice if it’s not too triggering

Not true.