To think male violence will never end?

[YouAreNotBatman]

I was reading the news about 14 year old boy raping and killing a 10 year old girl and I just became so tired.
So tired of endless violence boys and men do to girls and women.
And how they don’t care, they seem to think it’s funny or get angry at any woman who try and speak about it.

So much NAMALT.

Response is to the former poster quoted above, BTW.

@leadmeaway

That was from 2002, maybe update your data.
Like this:

www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/domestic-abuse-is-a-gendered-crime/

The majority of domestic homicide victims (killed by ex/partner or a family member) for the year ending March 2017 to the year ending March 2019 were female (77% or 274 victims) and most of the suspects were male (263 out of 274; 96%). Of the 83 male victims of domestic homicide, the suspect was female in 39 cases, and male in 44 cases. (ONS, 2020A)

Whilst both men and women may experience incidents of inter-personal violence and abuse, women are considerably more likely to experience repeated and severe forms of abuse, including sexual violence. They are also more likely to have experienced sustained physical, psychological or emotional abuse, or violence which results in injury or death.
There are important differences between male violence against women and female violence against men, namely the amount, severity and impact. Women experience higher rates of repeated victimisation and are much more likely to be seriously hurt (Walby & Towers, 2017; Walby & Allen, 2004) or killed than male victims of domestic abuse (ONS, 2020A; ONS, 2020B). Further to that, women are more likely to experience higher levels of fear and are more likely to be subjected to coercive and controlling behaviours (Dobash & Dobash, 2004; Hester, 2013; Myhill, 2015; Myhill, 2017).

Haven’t you heard?
Worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

(And feel, oh so sad….)

I'm not here to digress from the topic posted, if you want to try to turn the discussion away from what was posted start a new thread. So do you have any thing to add that there is a fact that the figure in this tread do not appear to be straight forward with regards to male / female violence, due to the under reporting of violence by males for many reasons.

Correction* due to the under reporting of violence against males for many reasons.

your data is from 2013

I know, @leadmeaway - well spotted.
Obviously, dozens of millennia of male violence patterns have radically changed in the last 9 years, so accurate ONS sources from a decade ago need you to pop up & attempt to discredit them for ... erm, not sure what, but you do you ...

& how interesting that the data you chose to mention only references the male-female divide of offenders in one instance, & you seem to feel it's more important to blather on about offender-age stats in preference to the subject of the thread.
And yet nothing about sexual assault, in which a proportion of victims are male, the vast majority are female, but 98% of perps are ... surprise! - male.

Fullfact were quoting an MP, who was quoting formal ONS data btw:
men are responsible for 85% of all indictable crimes in England and Wales, 88% of crimes against the person, 90% of murders, and 98% of sexual offences (all for the year to June 2012).

Funny how not one,not a single one of these posters ever start a thread of their own about violence against men, NAMALT, not my Nigel, DV against men, lack of support/services etc.
Nooo, it's never an issue unless women want to discuss male violence and then everything is a pressing issue, that must be discussed and analysed right now!

Wow have the monitors finally become tired of telling us off in the naughty corner? Pretty sure I've never seen a thread elsewhere, swooped on so fast by the male violence apologists.

As a woman, you should probably be a bit more up on the statistics. Even a passing knowledge of the facts would tell you that men are overwhelmingly the majority perpetrators of violence.

But here’s some factual reporting in case you think I am burdening men unfairly with a reputation for violence.

@YouAreNotBatman You just said "That was from 2002, maybe update your data."

Did you even check the link I posted...…

"The nature of violent crime in England and Wales: Year ending March 2020
A summary of violent crime from the Crime Survey for England and Wales and police recorded crime.
This is the latest release."

Do you need glasses? I even included you a picture!🤓

kareningalasmith.com/2013/04/29/this-thing-about-male-victims/

Karen Ingala Smith's website Counting Dead Women is an excellent resource for anyone wishing to counter men's rights activism style arguments. Really wish it wasn't necessary though.

To those with the whatabouttery:

I guess you have never been:

Sexually harassed, assaulted or abused

Discriminated against due to your sex (stereotyped) being a mother/main carer by default(societal expectations)

Psychologically abused by an intimate partner because you are more vulnerable to your sex (societal expectations of submissiveness) and or being a mother - humiliated, mocked, gaslighted, demeaned and forced into 'wife work' (societal expectations)

...
I too could go on but I'm tired.

I am pretty robust in my pro NAMALT and total objection to many views on these threads, but I can't really bring myself to agree with that being raised in such a flippant way on a thread about a child being raped and killed.

Women under-report too.

But I love how your double standards operate! You launched yourself into derailing this thread to bleat about NAMALT & female-perpetrated violence, then get all faux-not-gonna-derail when you don't like a straight question 😂

Id rather not, I hate people coming on here trying to promote their blogs. I`d rather take my information from official sources rather than some ones blog.

What do you mean how does a woman become like me? You cheeky bitch. I've been a victim of a woman attacking me, that's how I fucking know.

You reckon 4 billion females are more violent than 4 billion males, because ONE female beat you up once? That's taking cheeky bitchery to a whole new level @MissNothing1991 !

I posted the murder stat (93% of killers are men - 2021 figures) because with those stats, there’s no under-reporting defence possible; murder victims tend not to be able to choose whether their murder is reported and recorded.

leadmeaway how on earth is discussing the number of women killed by their male partner or previous partner digressing from the topic?

You can try and suggest that women are just as violent as men but they aren't killing men at a rate of 2 per week are they?

So you decided not to answer my question? Oh there`s a surprise, I did not expect you too. As posters like you are transparent and the reply from you is exactly what I was expecting, get some new material. The old try and bait and switch is so last year 😂

Misandry doesn’t exist in any real sense.

Bottom had 2002.

Anyway did you bother readin what I posted.
You know, men being more violent, killing much more.

Take your glasses back🤓🤓🤓

That's a shame @spiceysparrowbird because if you engaged with the facts instead of getting all huffy with invalid opinions you'd look a lot less silly.

Go on - surprise yourself - have a look at Ingala Smith's reportage: it teems with data-driven research from official sources.

Or did you think women who have blogs (in this instance, a professional, published writer with decades of experience & accolades) aren't capable of marshalling facts?
That says rather more about you than the author.

YANBU. What is unreasonable are the number of people on this thread angry about a discussion on how prevalent male violence is when there are stats upon stats to prove it. I see someone earlier in the thread called someone else a bigot for not believing their false narrative. This is the new thing isn't it, to call women bigots and liars when the evidence is all right there should anyone care to look, but no, lets shut those mouthy women up - shame them into silence. Christ what a time to be alive.