To think male violence will never end?

[YouAreNotBatman]

I was reading the news about 14 year old boy raping and killing a 10 year old girl and I just became so tired.
So tired of endless violence boys and men do to girls and women.
And how they don’t care, they seem to think it’s funny or get angry at any woman who try and speak about it.

Did you also pick the MRA’s and man pandering pick-me’s?
I mean those are the one’s who are actually part of the problem.

Don't worry Sparrow, all those usual MN names are clocking yours too ...

No, but there are other ways of abusing people. Its not all about violence. My DF nearly died of an angina attack because of all the stress these three women put him through. Painting all men as violent abusers helps no one. Its not us and them.

You are right - it is - but other animals are acting on instinct.

Some human animals plan & orchestrate mass sadism, for kicks, with malice aforethought. That's not nature, it's a deliberate choice by some humans, who have the sentience to choose not to follow their instincts. But still choose to anyway.

Thats not what the threads about though. And you don’t really think anyone said it was all men.

If you look at youth offenders, that stats on male violence still hold.

Serious offences are committed predominantly by boys (83%) compared to girls(17%).

@KettrickenSmiled
Perhaps you are more of a realist than I. I do see a gradual lessening of violence. As you say we no longer feed people to lions, force slaves to fight to the death, or have public executions, ie burn people at the stake or hang them. Of course the whole world isn’t the same and some places are more violent than others, so I may be mistaking regional changes when world wide there isn’t much difference.

Perhaps I am too optimistic as I do think there are signs humanity are moving forward although the pace is so glacial and so it appears during an individuals single lifetime that no progress is made at all.

😂😂😂

I think you need to put your own house in order before starting on the ducks @Myhamsteratemyjammydoger . Can you vouch for the XX chromosomes of your hamsters? Are they certified?

Well .. GOOD. Now we've cleared that thorny point up, you might like to get real, & join me in Heganism. It's like radical veganism, but for meat eaters: consuming solely the male animals of any species.
Dismantling the patriarchy, one sausage at a time!!

I have had none of the above.

I have however had some of the cruelest and worst treatment from women.

Everyone's story is different, thats why this debate will never be solved.

@Discovereads what a lovely post in a sea of contentious bickering from the wilfully blinkered :)

Please continue being optimistic.
Without hope, we'll all just stay jaded & fucked off, & nothing can improve from that mindset.
Also - thank you for reminding me to keep a sense of perspective (global fate of humanity vs: specific male/female problems) as well as hope.

It gets more and more blatant all the time. 2022 and the first post on a thread about the rape and murder of a 10 year old female child is a namalt. We all KNOW namalt. Too many are, though. That isn't misandry. There is a reason the vast, vast majority of prisoners incarcerated for violence are male, and it isn't under reporting. Women can be violent, and abusive, but there's a damn good reason everyone knows the name of Rose West and Myra Hindley. Women are not raping and murdering 2 men a week. Men are. And women. And children. If you can't see the difference in the severity of violence against women, you are wilfully blind.

I think, as a young woman, I felt vawg in the west was decreasing, was less acceptable than in, say, my parents generation. Not in other areas, but here. Now I think it's more acceptable than it was, and I think it's to do with porn. I think we will never be rid of vawg, while there are constant ways to degrade, humiliate and erase women, sorry, front hole havers.

@KettrickenSmiled
I don’t think all violence by animals is a direct result of instinct. Many species have a certain degree of sentience (emotional awareness) and free will. Yes killing for food or in self defence is purely instinctual, but many species have been observed killing or bullying or sexually assaulting for entertainment/fun or to assert group dominance. Now I’m not saying Watership Down is a documentary or anything, but animals do experience their lives, they are not automatons having reflex actions in response to instinct from birth to death. The fact that you can train them (and even train them to be violent ie
police dogs) is evidence that not all violent actions by animals are due to instinct.

@stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou and I'm sorry that happened to you. It doesn't stop the fact the experiences I've described are more common than the ones you have suffered.

It's not really a debate is it?

But it’s not a debate, though.
That’s the point.

It’s actual real life, statistic, that shows how violent men are.

This isin’t about are men more violent, they are.

Well, yes. Unfortunately it is.

I'd be interested to see some comparative stats on the number of women who have been abused in some form by other women.

I'd imagine it's pretty close.

Are your experiences worse? Potentially, yes.

If you look further upthread I've already said I think thi was a particularly unfortunate move by PP to do it on a thread about a child.

But I do think we jump straight to rape and murder and forget that women are capable of bad things. If a PP is allowed to say that never in their life have they been abused by women, surely I'm able to say I haven't and I've been abused by women?

But this is a thread about male violent towards women.
Of course women can be horrible but they aren't killing two men a week are they?

No, sorry. You can't use the personal (and sorry for that Candy) experience of someone from one sex to another and claim that as a real life statistic. It isn't.

Can we please remember when using this statistic that they are killed predominantly by their partners. Any murder is abhorrent but making out that there are men lurking at every street corner ready to murder is just not the case (and not at all helpful).

Can we please remember when using this statistic that they are killed predominantly by their partners. Any murder is abhorrent but making out that there are men lurking at every street corner ready to murder is just not the case (and not at all helpful).

If you read my previous comments you'll see that I've made it clear that it is current or previous partners who are doing the vast majority of killing.

I agree with you, as does the majority of the real world, but youll never get agreement here.

You can't win.

You'll be an apologist and a handmaid, and if you try to point out that men and women need to work together, you'll get sarky responses about "women needing to be kind", "Why is no not enough" etc etc. Let's see if I get a full house.

Right, so you will know its more complicated than male just being big bad evil people.

Out of interest - i see we've moved well away from the child in question, not the man.

Can we please remember when using this statistic that they are killed predominantly by their partners. Any murder is abhorrent but making out that there are men lurking at every street corner ready to murder is just not the case (and not at all helpful).

Some men are though, including police officers.

It's only irrelevant in the sense that partner abuse/rape/murder and stranger abuse/rape/murder both have in common one thing. They are predominantly committed by men.

It doesn't make me feel any better or safer that Jimmy down the street would only murder his wife but not a random woman.

You’re agreeing that people think all men are violent?

I wonder how many men put so much effort,time and passion in defending women on male dominated forums when a "all women are bitches" threads come up.

Yes. I've no doubt that boys growing up with violent fathers are more likely to see it as the norm.