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To think male violence will never end?

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YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 15:26

I was reading the news about 14 year old boy raping and killing a 10 year old girl and I just became so tired.
So tired of endless violence boys and men do to girls and women.
And how they don’t care, they seem to think it’s funny or get angry at any woman who try and speak about it.

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sweeneytoddsrazor · 04/05/2022 17:05

Most violence is committed by men, this is well known. Most violence by men is committed against other men. However that doesn't usually make the news because it is usually nowhere near as horrific as rape or murder.

No I don't think it will ever stop, and I also don't know if it has got worse or if we hear more about it now with 24 hour news and social media.

I do think lower level violence has increased and I don't think there is any effective deterrent to this which might be a good place to start.

Shmithecat2 · 04/05/2022 17:06

Getoff · 04/05/2022 17:03

Most violent crime, terrorism and rape is by men.
So the problem is men.
Not people, or women.

Let's assume that 100% of the offenses mentioned are perpetrated by men, and 1% of men perpetrate all the offenses.

If you say the problem is men, you are 99% wrong, 1% correct.

If you say the problem is people, you are 99.5% wrong, 0.5% correct.

If you say the problem is women, then on these simplified statistics, you are 100% wrong, 0% correct.

If you want to use a word to describe a category of people you have a problem with, I suggest you raise your game and instead of using one that is 1% correct, find one that's at least generally (more than 50%) correct.

You carry on saying that problem is men, and I will carry on not engaging (after this post) with a bigot with little grasp of logic and reason.

With your mental gymnastics, I'm sure that won't be too disappointing.

Felix125 · 04/05/2022 17:06

I would suggest that aggression levels in men and women are about 60/40 ish

So that if you stop an average man & woman in the street, he will be slightly more aggressive in nature that the woman

If you extrapolate that out of course - the top 10% of violent people will all be male.

KettrickenSmiled · 04/05/2022 17:06

Try being a bloke on the receiving end of an abusive woman and have people on social media threatening to turn up and attack you with a baseball bat, a person living in your house who won't leave, whose sole focus seems to be on belittling you and hurting you either physically or emotionally and who you can't get ANY help whatsoever from the authorities about. Then try going through the courts to get a restraining order because this person won't stop dragging your name through the mud online, won't stop emailing you abusive shit and creates a new email account every time you block whichever one she's using. Imagine this person writing a snotty email to the court and not turning up to the hearing and STILL not being granted an order. All the while the Police close the investigation into them without bothering to even interview her or contact you to let you know.
Yeah, women know & understand - because all of us, or our friends/family members have experienced it. Men tend to understand it less, as they are more usually the perpetrators than the victim, & are socialised not to seek help or show 'weakness'. Toxic bullshit, & not your fault.

Sorry but I don't want to hear any more bullshit demonising all men when some of you are arguably worse.
Also toxic bullshit, but this time it is your fault @TheEnemy123
Instead of popping up to rage at women for discussing a valid topic amongst themselves, why don't you take some responsibility for yourself, so that your next (I dread to think current, you are in no position to sustain a relationship with this level of fury going on) relationship is with a non-abusive woman, because you have been trained in how to spot red flags, & supported in your healing process?

Here you go - www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/support-for-male-survivors/
www.refuge.org.uk/get-help-now/help-for-men/
www.mankind.org.uk/

PS the vast majority of male victims of domestic violence suffered at the hands of ... a male perpetrator. Fact.

AlisonDonut · 04/05/2022 17:09

Are there 14 year old girls assaulting and murdering 10 year old boys then? Crikey.

KettrickenSmiled · 04/05/2022 17:11

MissNothing1991 · 04/05/2022 16:44

As a woman, I find this an insult to men. Women can be just as violent as men, sadly its men who seem to bear the burden of being seen as more violent.

As a human, I suggest you acquaint yourself with a few facts before spouting off inaccurate opinion as if you are 51% of the population's spokeswoman.

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/05/2022 17:15

1% of men? Seriously. Read up on some of the horrible stats about rape. A really high proportion of men think forcing or coercing sex is OK. That they would rape if they could get away with it. And many do.

It very much isn't 1%.

EmptyBites · 04/05/2022 17:15

MissNothing1991 · 04/05/2022 16:44

As a woman, I find this an insult to men. Women can be just as violent as men, sadly its men who seem to bear the burden of being seen as more violent.

Men are more violent. Something like 70% of all violent crimes are committed by men.

brookstar · 04/05/2022 17:19

MissNothing1991 · 04/05/2022 16:44

As a woman, I find this an insult to men. Women can be just as violent as men, sadly its men who seem to bear the burden of being seen as more violent.

Please can you provide some evidence to support your claim that women are just as violent as men?

The amount of women defending men is shocking.

This is an anecdotal example but in my immediate family I know of two people (not in the same relationship) who suffered domestic violence at the hands of their partner.
The male victim is still alive. The female victim was killed by her partner.
While domestic violence against men undoubtedly does happen it is not on the same scale as domestic violence against women.

KettrickenSmiled · 04/05/2022 17:20

EmptyBites · 04/05/2022 17:15

Men are more violent. Something like 70% of all violent crimes are committed by men.

85% - 98%.

fullfact.org/crime/bad-and-dangerous-know-do-men-commit-almost-all-crime/

YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 17:30

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Men hurt boys/men/girl/women/animals/nagure/property disproportionately compared to women.

Thinking that I must hate men because I want violence, again mostly commited by men, to stop is crazy!😦
It’s you who hate men.

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leadmeaway · 04/05/2022 17:33

your data is from 2013, but lets not let that get in the way of your bias. How about post a link to the latest available figures from a real source than a fact check page sourcing a newspaper reporter.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/thenatureofviolentcrimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020

Victims of violent crime interviewed in the year ending March 2020 CSEW were able to provide some detail about the perpetrator(s) in 98% of incidents (Nature of crime, violence tables). The following profiles are based on the victims' recollection and perception of the perpetrator(s):
perpetrators were most likely to be male, being reported as so in over three-quarters of violent incidents (82%)

perpetrators were most likely to be 25 to 39 years old, being reported as so in 42% of violent incidents; compared with 16 to 24 years old and 40 years and over in 28% and 26% of incidents, respectively

in 73% of violent incidents a sole perpetrator was reported to have been responsible

36% of incidents of stranger violence involved more than one perpetrator, compared with 27% of incidents of acquaintance violence and only 5% of domestic violence incidents

EmptyBites · 04/05/2022 17:33

Yes. Thanks for the link.

YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 17:39

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leadmeaway · 04/05/2022 17:41

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Any one can Quote ONS figures but it does not show a true picture does it, MEN are far far less likely to report an assault or violence than a woman, especially if its from a woman and these figures are unreported.

decentchap · 04/05/2022 17:44

Most men are not violent. My dad was quite clear on my teaching 'men do not hit girls or women - ever". it is a parent failing - no specific sex involved but maybe more prolific due to family breakdowns and women's seeming reluctance to be hard with DS.
Sexual violence is a different thing and equally prohibited by proper upbringing.
Morals used to be taught and are no longer.
Men are simply not the single cause, nor boys so take a break from the gender blame culture and accept responsibility for the correct upbringing of your child.
I would still go to the aid of any woman/girl who need help in such a situation and I would hazard a guess many more men would do that.
Men have daughters and can see the parallels.

Hawkins001 · 04/05/2022 17:48

They say it does not effect or influence behaviours, yet when it's positive people say they were influenced by x tv show to do x and if tv does not influence behaviours then why do we have advertisements etc,
One aspect that could be changed is all the violence on tv shows, games, films ect,

YouAreNotBatman · 04/05/2022 17:51

leadmeaway · 04/05/2022 17:41

Any one can Quote ONS figures but it does not show a true picture does it, MEN are far far less likely to report an assault or violence than a woman, especially if its from a woman and these figures are unreported.

But , still, male victims are mostly hurt by MEN.

So speaking about male violence would ONLY HELP MEN also.

Why are you/ people who want to silence this topic, so againts talking about it?
Even if you only cared about men?

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Tryhard40 · 04/05/2022 17:52

Let's change the record and talk about female violence on men for a change

Wow. What percentage of violent crimes do you think are women on men violence?

Im astounded you feel the need to come on a thread about male violence and say that. The ignorance is astounding.

leadmeaway · 04/05/2022 17:52

@YouAreNotBatman

In the interest of fairness, how about add some balance to your argument, oh this wont go down well 🤓

research.tees.ac.uk/ws/files/6368855/554408.pdf

Evidence from the UK Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) (Mankind Initiative, 2013) displays a marked discrepancy between the number of male and female convictions of IPV. In 2012-2013 there was 3, 231 convictions of female perpetrators, in comparison to 49, 289 convictions of male perpetrators. At face value, these findings align with the traditional feminist view of domestic violence. However, the evidence presented in the current literature review displays female-perpetrated IPV towards men tends to go under-reported (Steinmetz, 1978) and research displays equivalent levels of IPV between men and women (Straus & Gelles, 1986; Straus & Gozjolko, 2014). George (2007) argued that the prejudice against male victims is extreme and has led to under reporting by the police, with more men being put into the Criminal Justice System (CJS) if counter charges are made against them. Cook (2009) reported that in some cases, men’s calls to police during an episode of partner violence were not responded to. In other cases, men were ridiculed by the police or wrongly arrested as the primary perpetrator.

FunnyTalks · 04/05/2022 17:55

I read something about screen violence that stayed with me. Something along the lines of :

If we weren't affected by what we watched on screen, porn wouldn't exist.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 04/05/2022 17:55

Oh goodie. NAMALT. Again.

As for this little peach ...

WHEN YOU GO TO THE POLICE THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE YOU AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Unmitigated crap.

brookstar · 04/05/2022 17:55

leadmeaway how many men are murdered by their current or previous female partner a week?

itsjustnotok · 04/05/2022 17:56

Ultimately, these ‘violent’ men are raised by someone. Whilst I know that there will be some who have had poor childhoods I also see the attempts made by parents to discipline their children. The behaviour starts somewhere and sometimes it is down to how a parent raises their son.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 04/05/2022 17:57

Tryhard40 · 04/05/2022 17:52

Let's change the record and talk about female violence on men for a change

Wow. What percentage of violent crimes do you think are women on men violence?

Im astounded you feel the need to come on a thread about male violence and say that. The ignorance is astounding.

Fine. Cop on and create a thread about it, I'm sure the handmaids and MRAs would be delighted to keep you company and there'll likely be no shortage of those.

Instead they prefer to come onto threads about abused women, including those posted by the victims of said abuse, and taunt them.

It says much.