To think male violence will never end?

[YouAreNotBatman]

I was reading the news about 14 year old boy raping and killing a 10 year old girl and I just became so tired.
So tired of endless violence boys and men do to girls and women.
And how they don’t care, they seem to think it’s funny or get angry at any woman who try and speak about it.

No. As long as there are people, there will be violence. Violent tenancies can never truly be removed, as some might think, and have been crucial to the survival of our species.

What I think would help is to channel violence into more constructive disciplines such as martial arts and boxing. Both my sons do these and they are truly the gentlest teenage boys you could meet!

I apologise - I didn't mean to go off topic

I agree with the thread then that there is male violence against women

If anyone is being unreasonable it's those who think stopping violence is simply a matter of education or societal change. It's not. Part of the human condition is selfishness and taking what one wants, regardless of who gets hurt. There will always be such people.

Nope, you’re right, that will never happen.

Only time they ”care” is just to silence women.

It certainly won’t while male aggression is being encouraged. Nor while males are encouraged to believe women exist for sex and ought to supply it, and that me are entitled to get everything they want.

Between American gangsta media - through what passes for ‘music’ and music videos - and the porn industry, extreme trans ideology and the crap about not shaming any sexual kink: with life becoming ever more centred on sex and violence in fact: there is no hope.

But what about the MENZ!? Ffs. Every single time. I despair too OP. Anyone who wants to form a women only commune on a remote island, give me a shout.

And I can’t even bring myself to read about the case you’ve mentioned in the OP - unbearably sad.

Off you pop & start a thread about it then @User3568975431146

Nobody's stopping you, not even all those nasty violent women.

Of course there are abusive violent women in the world but it's NOWHERE NEAR the levels of violent men. It's endemic. This thread isn't about them.

And it's also a fucking record how quick the whataboutery poor menz NAMALT brigade showed up. As depressing as the subject itself.

As a woman, I find this an insult to men. Women can be just as violent as men, sadly its men who seem to bear the burden of being seen as more violent.

Unless you are thinking of castrating men, OP, there will never be an end to testosterone fuelled violence. You can see the behavioural improvement in castrated dogs or farm animals, but it’s a bit impractical for humans!
All we can do is stop normalising this shit behaviour by men. Stop the indulgent “boys will be boys” crap when your toddler son is fighting over toys or shoving little girls out of the way.
Don’t accept mansplaining and manspreading, raise boys to respect women, and most importantly persuade men to call out bad behaviour by other men.

We need men to intervene when they see other men abusing partners or boasting that they slapped their wife into line or whatever. We need a social mindset that men who attack women are cowardly shits, to be despised by their fellow men.
At present, films, mates down the pub, sports clubs, all conspire in the macho crap about “real men” don’t show feelings, are tough and ready with their fists, aren’t sissy or girly, … it’s insidious and boys absorb it from babyhood. The only emotion they ate allowed to express is violent anger.

Stop attacking people over a protected characteristic of sex it's misandry. After David Amess was murdered would Mumsnet have allowed a thread called

To think Muslim violence will never end?

I doubt it and I don't think this should stand either.

Statistically that religion is as prevent in committing terrorism as men are to violence. Men make up a massively disproportionate number of violent offences as a percentage of the population but the same (taken from government statistics) can be said for Muslims an equally protected characteristic.

And I would love to take my whataboutary to a different thread but I bet the censorship on here would have it last about 10 mins before being pulled.

I'm not sure either should be allowed to stand but you can't have one protected characteristic without the other standing too.

I'd love to see your stats for that. Source?

Humans are just another species of animal. All animals are violent. We can try to do better. We must try to do better but we will never ever eradicate it from society. You will just make yourself sad op thinking that we ever will.

Men statistically commit far more violent crime than women. The 'burden' is on them for a reason!

There's not enough roll eye emoji space for your post.

That is not true. Measurably, obviously not true.

I find it stunning that anyone believes this.

And I like men BTW. DH is great, my dad, my friends.

But I work in housing and we see violence inside houses. Constant, horrible violence. Blood on the walls, women running for their lives violence. Sexual assault of children violence. I've had more than one women who could have died. No men, not one. I have seen female violence against men. It doesn't even vaguely get close to what happens the other way around.

What sex was the person that murdered Amess?

WHEN YOU GO TO THE POLICE THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE YOU AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

Such startling ignorance, so loudly shouted ...

Sure they do, @TheEnemy123
That must be why a massive 1.3% of reported rapes result in a prosecution.
Prosecution, you understand? - not conviction.

What exactly do you think the police/CPS are doing for the 98.7% of victims (the vast majority of whom are female) whose reports are dismissed?

Yeah, it's just unthinking bigotry that's completely in line with the facts.

Which is inconvenient.

Evidence link missed from post at 16:53 - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48095118

I think it will end one day. Not in our lifetime or even this century. But if you look at global violence over millennia, centuries or even decades, it has been gradually decreasing. There is a lot of work being done on the psychology of violence and it’s links to a variety of causal factors from childhood experiences to head injuries. Violence is also contagious similar to a virus…if you’re exposed to violence you are more likely to become violent and so violence ripples outwards and can escalate into civil unrest for example. I think in future, we will be able to prevent violence which in turn will stop the spread of violence.

One reason why women’s rights are constantly under attack is because of the number of women who are brainwashed into thinking that they must actually support the men over the women. I did think that feminism was a bad word when I was young myself.

It is very obvious that men dominate and control the world’s directions, from Putin and the Taliban openly forcing that to the number of men evident in any place of power, to the increased importance of fashion, appearance and beauty placed for women and girls, the proportions of violence carried out by men and childcare carried out by women. Britain, like America, has turned back towards sexism in a big way.

We are allowed to speak the truth freely less and less, and fewer seem able to see it.

They are not 'dismissed'

There are various reasons why things don't go to court, especially in rape cases

That is a whole different topic and needs a separate thread - if you start one, I'll happily discuss it there.

Most violent crime, terrorism and rape is by men.
So the problem is men.
Not people, or women.

Let's assume that 100% of the offenses mentioned are perpetrated by men, and 1% of men perpetrate all the offenses.

If you say the problem is men, you are 99% wrong, 1% correct.

If you say the problem is people, you are 99.5% wrong, 0.5% correct.

If you say the problem is women, then on these simplified statistics, you are 100% wrong, 0% correct.

If you want to use a word to describe a category of people you have a problem with, I suggest you raise your game and instead of using one that is 1% correct, find one that's at least generally (more than 50%) correct.

You carry on saying that problem is men, and I will carry on not engaging (after this post) with a bigot with little grasp of logic and reason.

I can see why people come on defending Men when a question is clearly not asked in good faith to be honest.

It's absolutely clear and there is zero doubt that male violence towards women will never stop as long as humans exist as a species. There are discussions to be had on the subject and there are actions we can all take as individual parents to help move things forwards but we are all clear this isn't what this thread is about.

I don't for one second believe this thread has been put up in good faith or that a decent discussion on the subject could ever take place on AIBU (or possibly on Mumsnet at all) and therefore you will always get whataboutism and other such diversionary tactics. But it's from all sides of the discussion, there's no real effort to move the discussion to ways to tackle it (which would almost certainly involve how we parent and this would be a good place for the discussion of there was enough genuine desire).