To be annoyed that Jude's ice cream have gone mostly vegan and are no longer gluten free?

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Royally pissed off. And shouldn't labelling be better regulated to ensure only products made with real milk and cream (aka dairy) are called 'ice cream'? Oat paste should be marketed as something else.

Being the '1st carbon negative ice cream company' will not make any difference if the product is no good or cannot be eaten due to allergens🙄

Who's advising these companies?

Not heard of this brand before. We tend to buy Kelly's ice cream which is quite widely available locally and the majority of their range is gluten free. Is it worth approaching your favourite cafe to ask if they would consider stocking another brand of real dairy ice cream?

I wasn’t referring to their focus groups.

It is not a stupid decision on the part of any company to react to the Climate Emergency.

This is entirely separate to the issue of whether they should continue to make gluten-free products.

If they can’t continue to be gluten-free, because of the changes to their manufacturing required to react to the climate emergency, they should be upfront in explaining this to their customers.

And that’s why I am often spotted on a hot day leading my cow around the park, with DH trailing behind with an ice cream making and selection of soft fruits for flavouring

we are so lucky that benches near us come with a power and water supply so we can quickly whip up a quick cone for the DCs

They are still selling dairy Ice cream (that's now not gluten free) so surely you should be annoyed about the dairy side and not the vegan side?

We often praise the vegans in the house, partner is allergic to eggs and lactose intolerant and niece is lactose intolerant.
It means that finally they can have deserts at restaurants, and deserts that work (eg not a slice of something clearly stodgy made to be eaten with custard being served dry). That they might even have options at ice cream trucks etc. They grateful for when vanilla ice cream was a possibility in normal shops, and my partner cried the first time she was able to have mint choc chip, and then later a Sunday of different flavours (as she loved it as a small child 30 years ago and thought she'd never be able have that again) my niece has had 99's, and the fact that now that the first mini ice creams are coming out is exciting and somewhat life changing if you've never had the option of giving a kid a kid sized ice cream before)

Both products are put in the randomest of things and rarely clearly labelled, vegan labelling means that others family members not well versed in scanning ingredients now feel more confident picking stuff up for them.

Yes it shouldn't come at the expense of gluten free options, but having more vegan options isn't always a bad thing

On a side note the butter/milk thing is a redherring. There were recent attempts to stop plant based things being called milk that failed. Its accepted for things like peanut butter and is usually parroted by people trying to mock vegans

We tend to buy Kelly's ice cream which is quite widely available locally and the majority of their range is gluten free

I usually buy supermarkets' own brand if certified by Coeliac UK or Nui / Romeo as a treat (they are lovely). It's mostly when going out that Jude's have come in handy

Is it worth approaching your favourite cafe to ask if they would consider stocking another brand of real dairy ice cream?

I might try this, yes

@Knifer "you could just as easily choose not to be" is a deliberate distortion and misrepresentation of veganism. Would you say that to someone who, say, kept Kosher? Or a Muslim avoiding pork?

And besides, many vegans also have medical dietary needs.

There were recent attempts to stop plant based things being called milk that failed

Maybe they should try again?

M&S's plant based range, for instance, is clearly labelled, packaged and displayed separately. Bit in other places it can be very misleading, not only for dairy, but 'bolognese', 'burgers' etc.

It's just words. There's no 'butter' in peanut butter. Food names are very often not literal. The only reason for getting nitpicky about this is to have a go at vegans, and we are well aware that that's why people react in this way. It's petty and silly.

Can't say I've ever picked up the vegan version of something by mistake, they are usually clearly labelled.

It's a spite thing.Peoplen dontn like vegans and don't like what they represent.There are plenty of products that are not literal name wise,peanut butter is a good example.However if omnivores (many )can show their distaste of vegan food they always will.

Would you say that to someone who, say, kept Kosher? Or a Muslim avoiding pork?

Would you say that veganism is a religion then? Many people say they 'used to be' religious/Christian, etc and no longer are. So you can indeed change religion or no longer be religious (if that's what you are referring to)

You are introducing a rather thorny concept. There's likely to be a substantial lobby machine behind the legal matters that you linked to in order to achieve those (initially European) rulings.

But I'll leave it at that as I don't have any strong views on it.

Everyone is free to believe what they want, just don't withdraw perfectly valid alternatives that used to be available.

Marks & Spencer’s have drastically reduced their GF range too which is hopeless for those of us with coeliac disease/wheat allergy.

Eating out with my kids used to be easier- even when it was still really difficult!

Surely a private company can make whatever decisions they want.Should we be annoyed thatlmost all Cadbury stuff has milk in it?
Every company can decide where they want to be in the market and which customers they want

@successstories A protected philosophical belief is more closely akin to a religion than to other ways of understanding it that are commonly assumed or misapplied. It's not a religion in the sense that no deity is involved, but if it helps you to understand how ethics vegans think and feel, that is probably the best comparison to use.

And as I mentioned before, vegans are not only people who eat plant based food. In addition to being vegan (which goes beyond diet), loads of us have other restrictions like allergies, medical dietary restrictions, gastrointestinal conditions, and indeed coeliac disease. Think of it as a Venn diagram!

*ethical

(not 'ethics'!)

The difference, @Innocenta, is that if you are vegan by choice, not by dietary necessity, and you eat an icecream that has milk in, the only thing you've affected are your ethics. If I eat icecream that has barley or wheat or oats in, I've affected my entire body and will be unwell for days and be experiencing systemic inflammation for a couple of weeks.

It irks me that people's choices come before people's medical needs. You're allowed to be on your soapbox about veganism, I'm allowed to be pissed off about real medical issues being shunted to the side in favour of the new hot trend

There's more egg and milk allergies than gluten so more people are winning with the trend shifting.

@Knifer lol, as I've said like five times in the thread, vegans are not magically without medical issues. I myself have three serious GI medical diagnoses which affect my diet; two allergy related 'umbrella' conditions which cause a lot of complex symptoms and are very difficult and stressful to manage; and multiple 'normal' allergies too. I am prescribed epipens to carry at all times. I am also in longterm recovery from past anorexia nervosa.

But oh no. Everything about my food is so easy.

@Knifer You don't have some kind of exclusive rights to medical dietary issues.

I appreciate that removing things like gluten free options is very frustrating for those with medical needs. As a vegetarian I get frustrated when gelatin is added to products making them unsuitable for me.

However.... The criticism if using words like milk and burgers for vegan she vegetarian foods does make my eyes roll...🙄I've never accidently bought the wrong product. It wouldn't harm people to actually make what they are putting into their bodies by looking at the packaging properly.

Argh apologies for the typos

It is a stupid decision because it increases the demand for non vegan ice cream because the Celiacs don't have the ability to choose the vegan ones anymore. And it discriminates against Celiacs who aren't able to have dairy ice cream either.

By the way, their vegan ice cream is still on the Tesco website being sold as gluten free. That'll be fun when somebody finds out they've just been glutened. Much like the M&S gluten free bread that wasn't a couple of months ago.

I am 100% sure I covered that in my first sentence by clarifying the difference between choice and dietary need.

But please, continue in the exhausting vegan stereotype. I'm sure you're not confirming any biases here.

@Knifer I know people who claim they can't eat gluten when that was a 'trend' but I wouldn't dream of being so rude to them.

Meat and dairy do make vegans ill when their bodies haven't had it for so long. Personally I think everybody would be healthier for giving up meat and dairy in the same way as alcohol and white sugar. It's a major cause of inflammation in the body so it's funny that it is being dismissed on medical grounds when it can solve many problems people aren't even aware of until they give it up, dairy in particular.

Vegan is everywhere. What it means is that it's harder to find gluten and dairy free foods that used to be widely available.
Most vegan foods isn't actually safe for dairy allergies- read the label they all say 'may contain'.