To be annoyed that Jude's ice cream have gone mostly vegan and are no longer gluten free?

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Royally pissed off. And shouldn't labelling be better regulated to ensure only products made with real milk and cream (aka dairy) are called 'ice cream'? Oat paste should be marketed as something else.

Being the '1st carbon negative ice cream company' will not make any difference if the product is no good or cannot be eaten due to allergens🙄

Who's advising these companies?

You have driven me to swearing @Innocenta! You seem completely incapable of seeing anyone else's point of view. I don't care what you eat, what car you drive, (even what handbag you have!). If I could guarantee that I wouldn't be doubled up in pain or dashing to the loo I would try some veggie food (sorry, not vegan) but I can't and I don't want to live my life like that.

Maybe I will switch to some more vegan friendly household products if they are a comparable price to non vegan, I'll look as you said it can be cheaper. As long as you don't expect me to put the cat on any sort of vegan diet!

Suppose we were talking about some other unethical thing. Let's use Amazon as an example.

Amazon is unethical, for the purposes of this discussion.

There's a thread on MN where posters are discussing Amazon, including many who boycott it. Someone, we will call her GlamourPuppy, joins in to say, 'I have to use Amazon because I'm disabled and can't get out of the house, and I buy my incontinence pads there.'

On the face of it, this is reasonable. If you're incontinent, you need hygiene products. Maybe not as obviously essential as food, but pretty important! And you use whatever you can to access them.

Some poster, let's call her Guilticenta, objects to this and says, 'Are you sure Amazon is really your only option for that? Maybe you could try ordering them through a local pharmacy? Or direct from the brand you use?'

GlamourPuppy is very angry with Guilticenta because GP feels that she is talking about something essential, and so this shouldn't be challenged.

But then it emerges in the discussion that GlamourPuppy is also using Amazon to buy false eyelashes, and single use razors, and fake snow at Christmas, and and and... So actually, it seems like GP just likes to shop on Amazon. It's not about getting one or two essential products there. And in that case, why did GP initially present herself as having an experience relevant to a thread about living ethically? (In this instance, boycotting Amazon.)

@OhLordyWhatNow I'm not offended, I just think it's unnecessary hostility.

There are genuinely some very cheap household products which are vegan. They're often not sold as This is Special For Vegans, but coincidentally vegan things!

WTAF?!?

@PinkSparklyPussyCat It's an analogy. Don't you understand?

There are genuinely some very cheap household products which are vegan. They're often not sold as This is Special For Vegans, but coincidentally vegan things!

Thank you, I'll take a look (and I genuinely mean that!). I already use quite a lot of Astonish products as it's a cheapish brand and I believe they are vegan.

Superdrug is also great for beauty products btw! Most of their own brand stuff is vegan and very good value. So is the brand Revolution (skincare).

I'm limited to what I can use on my skin as most things bring me out in spots unfortunately (I'm not making it up honestly!) but I'll have a look.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat I believe you. I'm genuinely not sure why you think I think you're lying, because I honestly don't! Really.

Innocenta

Why are you seemingly incapable of accepting what Pink has to say? Why is it so important to you to prove Pink wrong?

How would the thread give you ideas of things you could eat when you’ve already said you’re not prepared to make yourself ill while you try and find out what I can and can't eat? I took that to mean you’re not willing to try new things as you wouldn’t want to risk something making you ill.

Perhaps it has everything to do with this gem from you...

"I wholly believe that you do have these problems. I'm not necessarily 100% convinced they mean you can't eat plant based, but you could be right and I could be wrong."

Pink is right because that's her experience. Your experience is different and that's ok.

I admit it does sound weird though! I've always had a sensitive stomach but when I had my gallbladder out it got a whole lot worse unfortunately. I've often regretted having it out but I was told it was that or die! I think that's why I get pissed off at times and stamp my feet like a child shouting 'it's not fair'!

To be honest, my original reason for reading this thread to start with was it's about my favourite food, ice cream, which thankfully I can eat (I can't eat cake though although I do sometimes)!

@OhLordyWhatNow Did you miss the part where I said, "I wholly believe that you do have these problems"?

Otherwise, I'm afraid eppur si muove.

Oh my god, gallbladder surgery is evil, you poor thing! One of my closest friends has had it and I know how vile it can be. @PinkSparklyPussyCat

@LoveInSlowMotion you never know, I might pick up some ideas that I've not thought of that maybe I can eat.

While it may not be food, I do have some ideas about vegan skincare from Innocenta that I'll look into so I have gained something.

I think you'll find I quoted it as I felt it important to include it.

I had gallstones, pancreatitis and an inflamed gallbladder but I thought I had indigestion! It's 8 years since I had it out and as time has gone on I've been able to eat more things but there's still some definite no nos. The main one is mushrooms which give me gallstone like pain, hence my wariness about anything plant based as the evil little things seem to be in everything!

you never know, I might pick up some ideas that I've not thought of that maybe I can eat.

But surely you wouldn't know if they would make you ill before you try them? And you’ve said you’re not willing to risk illness and that’s why you’re not willing to try. But now you are?

You know, funnily enough, @PinkSparklyPussyCat - I also can't eat anything with mushrooms in! So we have that in common

(And I'm so sorry to hear you had pancreatitis too, what horrible luck.)

Anyone who might be interested (not just PinkSparklyPussyCat) could consider making a vegan friendly substitution in some of these areas...

Toilet paper and tissues

Skincare, toothpaste

Soap and shower gel

Wallet / purse and handbag (when you want a new one anyway! Not saying to throw away a leather one)

Cleaning products (some are vegan naturally)

A lot of these are not more expensive, some are very cheap!

@Innocenta, the biggest problem is I love mushrooms!

I owe you an apology for some of my earlier posts. I don't think I'll ever be vegan or completely ethical but if I can make small changes then it's a start 💐

@PinkSparklyPussyCat I apologise for being snappy. I honestly didn't mean to sound like I didn't believe you - obviously it came across that way but that wasn't what I was trying to convey. Water under the bridge! I'm really glad we were able to find some common ground.