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AIBU to want to know the truth about this?

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 25/04/2022 14:39

Noah Donohoe was an intelligent, smart, kind and gentle boy. He was 14 years old, the only child of Fiona Donohoe and her everything.

On 21st June 2020, a bright sunny day and as lockdown had eased, Noah set off on his bike to meet up with his two friends to do some schoolwork together, but never reached his destination. Instead, Noah's body was found 6 days later in a storm-drain, naked, in a part of his home city he did not know.

On the day Noah was found, before Noah was formally identified, the Police did a media release stating that there was ‘No Foul Play’ involved. If the police are so sure that ‘No Foul Play’ was involved and that they will not be found wanting under scrutiny, why are they now trying to stop Noah’s mother and her legal team getting access to four files of information on Noah’s investigation?

The Police have applied for a ‘Public Interest Immunity’ certificate, which, if granted, means they can hide four key files in the investigation. Such a certificate is only used in exceptional circumstances and rarely used in the case of a missing child. This certificate has been brought into play in cases where Police intelligence, informers or paramilitaries are involved.

Noah’s mummy has, from the very start of Noah being missing, believed that the police did not use all their resources in finding Noah. This was confirmed when it emerged they had not paid anyone overtime while investigating his death. They did little, if any, forensics and any suspects that were brought to their attention were dismissed as not relevant.

Noah's mummy believes that someone harmed Noah and that there have been serious and repeated failings in the Police investigation of his death. She will never get to the truth and Justice for Noah if she does not get all the information. These four files are vital to get the truth she desperately needs, to find out what really happened to her precious son.

This is a podcast with Noah's mother. It is a hard watch and so a trigger warning may be needed before watching:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWsr3giWH8

After watching the podcast and the more I get to know, the more questions and doubts I have, and the more difficult it is to believe the police claim of 'No Foul Play'. Noah's death is being treated as a coroner's investigation and the police are not actively pursuing any person or persons in relation to it. Given the lack of a proper investigation into Noah's disappearance and death by the police and their application to keep their files secret, it is difficult to have any confidence in them. In fact, this has been described as their 'Stephen Lawrence moment'. Add to this that Noah's mother and auntie have received telephone threats, are trolled daily online and posters of Noah have been defaced - his face deliberately cut out of them. My own view is that the files must be released and a new and independent investigation begun.

As a parent, a member of the public and a long-standing Mumsnetter, I want to know the truth about what happened to Noah. Even more importantly, I want his mother Fiona to get the truth she needs to be allowed to grieve properly for her son, for Noah to get the justice he truly deserves, for all other children to be safe in the future and to place transparency and accountability where it should rightly be.

AIBU?

This is an earlier thread about Noah, nearly full and so about to close to new posts, but with useful links to newspaper articles and also to a petition in support of his mother:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

AIBU to want to know the truth about this?
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AchillesPoirot · 26/04/2022 03:21

I don't think it's as black and white as the files should all be released.

Clearly there are sensitivities in Northern Ireland that may mean that the information in the files may be impossible to release.

I feel every sympathy for Fiona and her family and I hope that some sort of resolution can be found that gives her the closure she needs.

AchillesPoirot · 26/04/2022 03:25

I realise what I just posted will get me crucified on this thread.

I hope that they can find a way to release the files.

But it's not beyond the bounds of possibilities that that might prove impossible for completely legitimate reasons when balanced against the public interest.

Someone independent of Northern Ireland should look and make that assessment perhaps. I'm not sure.

Again. I am not saying the files should not be released. Just that it might be a possibility that they can't be.

BurnDownTheDiscoHangTheDJ · 26/04/2022 03:42

I wasn’t aware of this case @MNettersForNoahAndFiona but have just read that the mum was also being questioned over a walk that apparently broke Covid rules in March 2020?! That seems a very odd thing for the police to latch onto. What on Earth?!?! I’ve just read a whole article about the case and feel like I’m missing something, the police look like they’re bungling this case entirely deliberately. I’m so sorry for Ms. Donahue’s unimaginable loss and hope that she gets the Justice that her son deserves.

AchillesPoirot · 26/04/2022 03:44

The police bungle and have bungled many investigations in Northern Ireland due to the particular situation here.

It's not uncommon. Unfortunately.

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/04/2022 09:22

mummabear74 · 26/04/2022 01:16

I have just signed the petition and shared it to family and friends. My thoughts are with the family and hope they get the peace they deserve.

Thank you 💙

The last 22 months must have been a living hell for Noah's mother Fiona and her sister Niamh, and with no end in sight at the moment.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/04/2022 10:19

I think it is a mistake to try to repeatedly excuse the mishandling of Noah's case because of it's location as some pps have done. There are good and bad in all communities, all police services and connected institutions everywhere. There are the good and the criminal, corrupt, racist or misogynist everywhere. It is a tangled web and a toxic mix. We only have to look at London and the Met police for very clear examples. Think about Stephen Lawrence, Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman, Sarah Everard. The current NI Chief Constable Simon Byrne was previously in the Met and in Manchester. Immediately before NI he was CC of Cheshire, where he was suspended and investigated on 74 counts of misconduct but subsequently cleared.

To excuse it because of its location is a cop out. It is 2022. This is the death of a completely innocent child.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/04/2022 10:24

Apologies for my duplicate post. Hopefully MNHQ will remove it for me. When trying to post it, I kept getting the 500 server error notice, but found it had actually posted and twice. Come back old Mumsnet, all is forgiven.

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AchillesPoirot · 26/04/2022 10:26

I'm not excusing it.

I'm saying there may be sensitivities that mean it's better assessed by someone outside of Northern Ireland.

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TheBarkingChain · 26/04/2022 10:34

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We heard you when told us at 3am.

No reasons or excuses are justified for the handling of this case. None.

TheBarkingChain · 26/04/2022 10:35

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AchillesPoirot · 26/04/2022 10:50

What is wrong with posting at 3am?

The case has been handled poorly but that doesn't mean the files should be released. There should be an independent assessment.

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/04/2022 10:50

More duplicate posts, I see. When you click on post, assume that it has posted, because it will have, even if it looks like it hasn't. It will be there a bit later. That will help prevent the multiple posts for now until Mumsnet sort it out let us have our old site back.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/04/2022 10:55

I've reported the duplicate posts up to this point. Hopefully MNHQ will eventually remove them. It might take a while as the problem is across the site.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/04/2022 11:01

There should be an independent assessment.

There should be an independent and new investigation now, starting right at the very beginning of Noah's disappearance. There can be little or no confidence in the existing one, surely?

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ReiltinDubh · 26/04/2022 11:01

AchillesPoirot · 26/04/2022 10:50

What is wrong with posting at 3am?

The case has been handled poorly but that doesn't mean the files should be released. There should be an independent assessment.

The family are calling for an independent inquiry.
Can I just ask, in good faith, what if there has been foul play, what if Noah was harmed, should the people involved just get away with it? In order not to cause community unrest? Do we just throw our hands up and say well its NI what can we do?
Or do we say No. That NI deserves better. That NI children deserve to have the same protection as all other children.

AchillesPoirot · 26/04/2022 11:02

There should be an independent assessment. And that assessment should have the power to order a new investigation if it is deemed necessary.

Can someone please tell me what I did wrong posting at 3am?

AchillesPoirot · 26/04/2022 11:02

@ReiltinDubh where have I said any of that?

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/04/2022 11:04

No reasons or excuses are justified for the handling of this case. None.

Agreed. I certainly can't find any that are, so far, and I've looked very, very hard.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/04/2022 11:09

Nothing at all is wrong with posting at 3am, @AchillesPoirot - I think that pps are disagreeing with some of your posts and mean that you have previously made those certain points earlier.

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AchillesPoirot · 26/04/2022 11:21

I was replying to other posters.
It's a chat forum?

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/04/2022 11:31

The family are calling for an independent inquiry.
Can I just ask, in good faith, what if there has been foul play, what if Noah was harmed, should the people involved just get away with it? In order not to cause community unrest? Do we just throw our hands up and say well its NI what can we do?
The thing is, the people involved in unrest, in what potentially happened to Noah and in how his disappearance and death was and is being mishandled are a minority. A tiny minority of criminality, prejudice and corruption. They can't be allowed to hold the rest of the land to ransom. Unrest if they were exposed is just an excuse. They already cause unrest and fear, without Noah's case playing any part of it. Using unrest as an excuse just maintains the status quo and let's them - potentially - get away with the death of another child. I would hope that there would be unrest in the form of peaceful protests from the vast majority of good people of all communities if this farce - in my opinion - of 'No Foul Play' is allowed to continue unchecked.

Or do we say No. That NI deserves better. That NI children deserve to have the same protection as all other children.
Yes, we do indeed say that.

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AchillesPoirot · 26/04/2022 11:33

If it changed for Noah (and it should) it should change for everyone

For example for the family of Lisa Dorrian. Who have waited since 2005 for answers.

AchillesPoirot · 26/04/2022 11:33

*changes

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/04/2022 11:33

*lets

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