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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 25/04/2022 14:39

Noah Donohoe was an intelligent, smart, kind and gentle boy. He was 14 years old, the only child of Fiona Donohoe and her everything.

On 21st June 2020, a bright sunny day and as lockdown had eased, Noah set off on his bike to meet up with his two friends to do some schoolwork together, but never reached his destination. Instead, Noah's body was found 6 days later in a storm-drain, naked, in a part of his home city he did not know.

On the day Noah was found, before Noah was formally identified, the Police did a media release stating that there was ‘No Foul Play’ involved. If the police are so sure that ‘No Foul Play’ was involved and that they will not be found wanting under scrutiny, why are they now trying to stop Noah’s mother and her legal team getting access to four files of information on Noah’s investigation?

The Police have applied for a ‘Public Interest Immunity’ certificate, which, if granted, means they can hide four key files in the investigation. Such a certificate is only used in exceptional circumstances and rarely used in the case of a missing child. This certificate has been brought into play in cases where Police intelligence, informers or paramilitaries are involved.

Noah’s mummy has, from the very start of Noah being missing, believed that the police did not use all their resources in finding Noah. This was confirmed when it emerged they had not paid anyone overtime while investigating his death. They did little, if any, forensics and any suspects that were brought to their attention were dismissed as not relevant.

Noah's mummy believes that someone harmed Noah and that there have been serious and repeated failings in the Police investigation of his death. She will never get to the truth and Justice for Noah if she does not get all the information. These four files are vital to get the truth she desperately needs, to find out what really happened to her precious son.

This is a podcast with Noah's mother. It is a hard watch and so a trigger warning may be needed before watching:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWsr3giWH8

After watching the podcast and the more I get to know, the more questions and doubts I have, and the more difficult it is to believe the police claim of 'No Foul Play'. Noah's death is being treated as a coroner's investigation and the police are not actively pursuing any person or persons in relation to it. Given the lack of a proper investigation into Noah's disappearance and death by the police and their application to keep their files secret, it is difficult to have any confidence in them. In fact, this has been described as their 'Stephen Lawrence moment'. Add to this that Noah's mother and auntie have received telephone threats, are trolled daily online and posters of Noah have been defaced - his face deliberately cut out of them. My own view is that the files must be released and a new and independent investigation begun.

As a parent, a member of the public and a long-standing Mumsnetter, I want to know the truth about what happened to Noah. Even more importantly, I want his mother Fiona to get the truth she needs to be allowed to grieve properly for her son, for Noah to get the justice he truly deserves, for all other children to be safe in the future and to place transparency and accountability where it should rightly be.

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This is an earlier thread about Noah, nearly full and so about to close to new posts, but with useful links to newspaper articles and also to a petition in support of his mother:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 23/05/2022 21:14

You're right, CatChant.

Noah shared this with his mummy:

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 24/05/2022 06:58

💙Noah💙

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 24/05/2022 20:33

Bump.

Lovely Noah 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 24/05/2022 20:42

306,752 people have so far signed Fiona's petition.

If you haven't already, please sign or sign and share Fiona's petition on Change, and don't forget to confirm your signature for it to count. The link for the petition can be easily found in the OP of this thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

Thank you 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 25/05/2022 11:44

Niamh Donohoe on Twitter:
'The greater your storm, the brighter your rainbow🌈. After an exhausting day of zoom meetings and reading statements, we took ourselves off to Whitehead & Blackhead cliff path to put some of Noah's Blue hearts💙 there. What a beautiful place part of the Antrim Coast'

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 25/05/2022 13:40

💙Noah💙

🌈 Fiona 🌈

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 25/05/2022 20:01

Niamh Donohoe on Twitter, for those who will/can be in NI at the time:
'We hope people come out and support us at the next coroner's court hearing on the 1st of July. Show them all Noah's Armyâš¡ haven't gone away.'

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CatChant · 25/05/2022 22:40

No one is actually dead until the ripples they cause in the world die away.

I was reminded of this Terry Pratchett quote on another thread and thought immediately of Noah. He left a lot of ripples in the world. May they be a force for change.

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/05/2022 13:28

BBC Question Time is from Belfast tonight. It would be very good to think that someone might get to ask a question about the lack of a proper police investigation for Noah and about the use of Public Interest Immunity Certificates.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/05/2022 16:29

CatChant · 25/05/2022 22:40

No one is actually dead until the ripples they cause in the world die away.

I was reminded of this Terry Pratchett quote on another thread and thought immediately of Noah. He left a lot of ripples in the world. May they be a force for change.

I also thought of Noah, amongst others, when I saw that thread, CatChant.

While Noah was still alive, his mummy told him that he would change the world. Sadly nobody expected or wanted it to be this way.

We will keep saying, shouting and writing his name for as long as it takes.

Noah Donohoe 💙

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/05/2022 18:28

It's rather strange that every or almost every link on Mumsnet to this thread about Noah Donohoe has changed and stopped working. Anyone would think MI5 are on Mumsnet joking, not joking

www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/4557089-links-to-other-threads-not-working-when-originally-they-did?reply=117491061

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/05/2022 21:00

From Fiona tonight:

Of the 95 houses on the street where Noah was last seen, there is no knowledge of 52 of them - yes, more than half - ever having been spoken to by the police.

Those we have knowledge of being spoken to by the police (PSNI), only 4 have given statements.

There is an undisclosed number who did answer the PSNI review questionnaire, later "denied" the questionnaire response and "refused " to give statements.

Regarding resources: Be comforted to know if you ever are in a traumatic situation the PSNI call on "traffic police constables" to be your liaison officers when your child has been missing after 3 days.

All we ask for is full information. A thorough house to house enquiry. Statements from all houses in Northwood Rd. A reconstruction. We asked for this for Noah nearly 2 years ago.

I believe there are so many good people on Northwood Rd. I need your help to get answers for Noah. He was a beautiful, thoughtful child. Help him. Please give a complete picture from the whole street. We have footage and information that asks questions. Please, so we can eliminate.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 26/05/2022 21:12

From Niamh Donohoe tonight:

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EllaB22 · 27/05/2022 23:09

💙

Lucypocket9 · 28/05/2022 07:34

Have signed the petition.

I hope Mumsnet can use their reach to help bring more awareness.

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/05/2022 12:25

Thank you pps Flowers

Yes, this thread is now drawing to a close, but the two-year anniversary of Noah Donohoe's disappearance - 21st June - and the next coroner's court date - 1st July - will soon be upon us. Yet still, there are no signs at all that the police (PSNI) including chief constable Simon Byrne, coroner Joe McCrisken, justice minister/Alliance party leader Naomi Long , Northern Ireland secretary of state/Conservative MP for Great Yarmouth Brandon Lewis and those involved in Noah's disappearance and death nor the witnesses to it, are intending to provide justice for Noah and the truth for his mother Fiona and his auntie Niamh.

It is more important than ever that we keep the spotlight on these people and continue to support Fiona and Niamh.

The investigation files must be made available to Fiona's legal team and not kept secret for the next hundred years!
krw-law.ie/
krw-law.ie/?s=donohoe

306,810 people have so far signed Fiona's petition.

If you haven't already, please sign or sign and share Fiona's petition, and don't forget to confirm your signature via the email Change will send or it won't count. The link for the petition can be found in the OP of this thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

Thank you 💙

Unless someone's troubled conscience gets the better of them, in all likelihood this will be an even longer fight by a grieving mother, and justice will only be done with a new, independent police investigation and public enquiry.

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/05/2022 13:05

Please read just one account given to Fiona. This could fit with Noah's body being muddy when it was found, and without the signs of water and other damage which could be expected after 6 days in a storm drain. Note the date this took place. Whilst Noah was 2 days missing. Note the unprofessional handling by police and the lack of any care for possible forensics. Only one of many examples of NOT the 'Thorough, Robust, Wide-Ranging Investigation' police claim:

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/05/2022 15:43

Song for Noah by Noella Hutton went straight in at number 17 in the official UK download charts and was number one in Ireland:

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/05/2022 15:58

John Garrity sings Forever Young for Noah:

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/05/2022 17:54

As this thread draws to a close, these Mumsnet threads about Noah are still currently open to posts if you would like to watch for updates, join in or read:

In Craicnet -
www.mumsnet.com/talk/craicnet/3951182-Noah-Donohoe

In Black Mumsnetters -
www.mumsnet.com/talk/black_mumsnetters/4519930-TW-Noah-The-PSNI-and-their-failure-to-investigate-his-death?

In Human Rights -
www.mumsnet.com/talk/human_rights/4512617--JusticeForNoahDonohoe-BrandonLewisReleaseTheFiles

These Mumsnet threads about Noah are full but have information, links and discussion if you would like to read them or sign the petition:

Thread 2 including the petition link -
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

Thread 1 including the petition link:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4507415--As-its-St-Patricks-Day-today-can-I-ask-you-to-spare-5-minutes-for-Noah-Donahoe-and-his-mummy-TW

AIBU Thread 1 -
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4514507-Aibu-to-think-if-the-worst-happened-and-your-child-died-in-mysterious-circumstances-you-should-have-a-right-to-know-what-happened

For those on Twitter, or you can access to read without joining Twitter:

2 pinned threads about Noah by Marymo Belfast with factual information for those new to Noah's story or wanting to know more -
mobile.twitter.com/MarymoBelfast/status/1370453351616425985

Fiona Donohoe, Noah's mummy -
twitter.com/FIONADONOHOE2

Niamh Donohoe, Fiona's trusted sister -
twitter.com/NiamhDonohoe78

This is Fiona's podcast with James English on YouTube (1hr 28 minutes):

Channel 4 News report and interview with Fiona (7 mins):
www.channel4.com/news/noah-donohoe-family-seek-answers-over-belfast-teenagers-death

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MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 28/05/2022 19:54

The OP started this thread a year ago and unfortunately - and shockingly - there were no responses at all at the time:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4242350-To-ask-you-to-download-the-Noah-Donohoe-song

I just want to say a huge thank you to everyone who has so far supported Fiona, Noah and Niamh through my threads here. Whether you have signed or signed and shared the petition, posted in support or to try to bump the threads into Active, tweeted or joined the every Sunday 6.11pm twitterstorm, posted and shared on other social media and with your family, friends and colleagues, said prayers, lit candles, contacted the media, your MP, Brandon Lewis, the politicians in NI, donated to The Noah Donohoe Foundation, downloaded Noah's song or bought a jersey, every single act of help, big or small, is appreciated. It shouldn't have to be this hard for Fiona, but it would be even harder without your support. Flowers

Please, keep supporting her. Don't forget about Noah. Don't let those responsible for delivering the truth and justice forget about Noah. 💙

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 29/05/2022 05:42

💙Noah💙

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 30/05/2022 22:42

Two whistle blowers make serious allegations of wrongdoing within the PSNI - BBC Spotlight on BBC One Northern Ireland tomorrow at 10.40pm - Tuesday 31 May, 2022 - and on BBC iPlayer.
From Twitter:
'📺TOMORROW ON SPOTLIGHT📺
Two PSNI whistle blowers speak publicly for the first time about serious allegations of misconduct and negligence in one of the largest police districts in Northern Ireland, @ mandy_mcauley reports.'
Link to trailer:
twitter.com/BBCSpotlightNI/status/1531271408701128709

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confusedlots · 31/05/2022 17:04

@MNettersForNoahAndFiona I just saw that spotlight programme advertised and wondered if it might have anything to do with this case

MNettersForNoahAndFiona · 31/05/2022 20:33

The programme tonight is not directly about Noah, pp, but it is good to see at least some of the wrongdoing within the PSNI (police) being exposed. We live in hope for a brave whistleblower to come forward for Noah. It will only take one. 💙

As this thread closes, 306,858 people have so far signed Fiona's petition against the police application to keep four files from Noah's investigation secret. If you haven't already, please sign or sign and share Fiona's petition on Change, and don't forget to confirm your signature via the email Change will send you for it to count. The link for the petition can be easily found in the OP of this thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/4525759--THREAD-2-Will-you-spare-five-minutes-to-help-the-lovely-Noah-Donohoe-get-the-justice-he-deserves-and-to-support-his-mummy-Fiona-in-getting-the-truth-about-what-happened-to-her-beloved-son

Thank you 💙

It is now 101 weeks since Noah disappeared, only to be found dead, naked in a storm drain. That is no way for anyone to be found, let alone an innocent, sweet, blameless, 14 year old child. All his mummy wants is the truth and for justice to be done for her much loved and much missed only child. Is that too much to ask?

This is to a short video of lovely Noah, reciting the Periodic Table, taken by his mummy Fiona. She said:
'This is my amazing, beautiful, funny, intelligent son, who I am so privileged to have known. He wanted to study medicine to help people. #RememberMyNoah💙 #NoahsArmy⚡'
twitter.com/i/status/1317861840987262977

If you have been moved, angered or puzzled by Noah's story, please do what you can, no matter how small, to help us to get justice for him, the truth for his mummy and protect other children.

Thank you 💙

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