To think this is actually great PR for Angela Rayner?

[ChampagneLassie]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61213711

I'm suprised the Mail article cause such a stir. And it's way more offensive to Boris than Angela. I think she's come off really well from this, raises her profile. I wouldn't be suprised if this was entirely made up by the journo and there is no leak.

I think she's brilliant. She didn't lie, did she? Front bench porn watcher anyone?

There was not a single woman in Thatcher’s cabinet. She did bugger all to help women.

So you weren't a fan then? Of course not, She was a Tory. More selective female solidarity. She knew how hard it was to earn her place as leader. Maybe she wanted to keep her enemies close, those who would eventually stab her in the back.

So you are as appalled about misogyny in the MoS article as many other people Labs?

Misogyny?! I think I will reserve my shock, horror for real cases of Misogyny. Rayner is hardly a shrinking violet. If this is the worst she's got to put up with, I suggest she quit politics. As a woman, I find it amusing and would store it to use as a quip for a later day.

Ah yes let's ignore misogyny until it gets really bad.

Let's ignore racism and homophobia too when they're not 'real cases' because they only affect people we don't like. That's a good idea.

Or let's stop overreacting and looking to attach labels to everybody who breathes. I saw real misogyny when I witnessed an all male sports dept in a college. The Head made it clear he would never hire a woman but he was devious and up the arse of the principal. I don't go looking to be offended or offended on other people's behalf. This current case is a desperate, cheap, dated bit of saltire, as far as I'm concerned.

Ah understood. Misogyny in national newspapers not important because

Sattire

Satire really isn't suggesting a politician goes knickerless.

You've conveniently ignored the part about Labour now being more trusted on the economy.

That's not a small cliffnote: for Labour that's a huge breakthrough and speaks volumes about how badly voters think tories are dealing with it. Miliband's tenure never enjoyed that reputation, and Corby's was dire on that front.

Starmer's personal ratings also suggest voters see him as much more of a PM in waiting than Miliband ever was, and lightyears ahead of Corbyn, whose personal ratings were dismal even when the party was polling relatively well. Again, this is not Corbyn v Johnson round 2.

And no, no matter how much mumsnet thinks the rest of the country is obsessed with self-ID, it really isn't. The tories will try to use it as ammo in an election and maybe then it will get traction, but right now the data shows it's waaay down on voter priority lists.

(FWIW I don't think Labour will get a landslide, just enough to secure a coalition. The economy will be the defining election issue and the tories don't have answers for it. Culture wars don't work when you can't pay your gas bill.)

If you cannot handle fierce environments, don't break the door down trying to enter the auditorium. My goodness, no wonder some women have a hard time trying to forge ahead, when we present ourselves as delicate flowers.

There's nothing "delicate" about not wanting to see women misrepresented in national newspapers.

Is there a grip icon on here?

Classic apologism. "If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen, love!"

If there is @Labscollie you are in dire need of it, making assumptions about all and sundry and rattling on about presenting ourselves as delicate flowers.

Classic overreaction. Every time a woman is deemed fair game, throw a hissy fit instead of cleverly dealing with it. Karren Brady got it spot on. No wonder she's so successful.

Please cite a recent front page that calls out a male politician for using their sexuality to distract colleagues in the commons. If you can't, then it's not 'fair game'.

'classic overreaction', 'delicate flowers', hysteria next?

Find it yourself. I'm off shopping. With any luck I will get a wolf whistle - while it's still legal. Thank God I was a 70s child.

It has lowered the tone of politics yet again and makes it even more of a pantomime distraction from the real issues in this country. Nothing gets done. Nobody wins.

I think we need to get rid of a lot of freeloaders on all sides of politics, and yes a large amount are Tory - they are setting some sort of record on sleaze and MP's getting prosecuted for parties and sexual assaults. One Tory councillor recently got sent down for murder. Where do they find these people and why the fuck are people voting for them? We need some kind of psychometric/SAS form of vetting. 🤔

Well at least that explains your pent-up frustration. The world and its values are leaving you behind and you don't like it.

56 MPs under investigation for sexual misconduct but he it's just banter...

🤣 You have jumped the shark I think, Labscollie. No one who thinks like this deserves to be taken seriously.

If you cannot handle fierce environments, don't break the door down trying to enter the auditorium. My goodness, no wonder some women have a hard time trying to forge ahead, when we present ourselves as delicate flowers

Let me think - who was it who objected to my “aggression” and suggested they were being “bullied” here because someone disagreed with them? 🤔