To think this is actually great PR for Angela Rayner?

[ChampagneLassie]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61213711

I'm suprised the Mail article cause such a stir. And it's way more offensive to Boris than Angela. I think she's come off really well from this, raises her profile. I wouldn't be suprised if this was entirely made up by the journo and there is no leak.

Someone improvise some sort of distraction, and I'll call vet.

Clavinova's got a new name I see? Gotta go out now.

Since when have Labour been the party more trusted with the economy. Come election time we know what will be trotted out (the apparent note left)

Labour are only a few points ahead. Read up on your political history to change the political landscape (which is what needs to happen) the opposition need to be far further ahead

and like i said before it’s not necessarily the argument around self id/what is a women it’s once again Labour not being seen as the party for the average working man and woman. Starmer could have corrected this he choose not to

Your post illustrates why Labour voters have zero sense of humour. You're always angry about something.

Not being Tory is not enough to turn over an 80 seat majority

Back in early December, people who knew about staunchly Conservative North Staffordshire were saying that not being tory was not enough to overturn at 23,000 majority there. That went well.

Outside of Mumsnet and the Islington bubble, Thatcher is a hero.
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For what it's worth, the majority is currently down to 76, and about to go down yet further.

Outside of Mumsnet and the Islington bubble, Thatcher is a hero.

Feel free to try that line around the former coalfields of England and Wales, and come back and tell us how it went.

Since when have Labour been the party more trusted with the economy. Come election time we know what will be trotted out (the apparent note left)

Since we saw all that money being wasted on useless PPE and very, very fat contracts to friends of Tory MPs and subscribers. And since we saw the disaster that recent years have wrought on the UK economy.

A yougov poll from April 19th:

Labour lead on 'providing more jobs', 'improving standards of living', 'helping people onto the housing ladder', 'keeping prices down' and 'reducing poverty'. They're also equal on 'managing the economy', a metric they're usually way behind at.

twitter.com/willgeorgelloyd/status/1516438407135830028?s=20&t=qMAyjKBdjvxHITgxgord4g

It's no good saying Labour are 'unelectable' like it's some divine truth that everyone accepts without question. These are important markers that will only get more acute in the next two years.

Are you claiming misogyny isn't misogyny if the target isn't a shrinking violet? That's a novel interpretation.

I'm sorry you're annoyed no-one at work pats your arse anymore but times have moved on.

Not being Tory is not enough to turn over an 80 seat majority

Major lost 200 seats in 1997. 🤷‍♀️

Quite!

Bojo will prove to be a disaster for the Tories, Yes they may well trot out that note, but Labour have a whole list of things to fire back at them, not least deliberately/knowingly spreading CV in care homes... how many did that kill?

I'm sorry you presumed wrong. I took early retirement.

Major was up against Tony Blair who was ahead in the polls by over 20 points much of the time and continues to be so while PM for the first term. Blair was a powerhouse of a politician (as was Johnson) Starmer is not it’s foolish to think he is

The Labour party had also moved to the centre. Blair and Brown were far more politically savy (under the guide of the mater of political pr Alister Campbell) Blair would not have been appeasing a few to come across as kind he would be appealing to voters (much how the Tories operate)

Another issue is the Tory party are at the moment increasing tax and spending which is more of a Labour policy so where will Labour go with this

what is Labour offering apart from not being Tory do Blair and Brown were on the campaign trail long before the election in 1997 was called we were all well aware where they were heading. They surrounded themselves with MP’s that were solid, a pr team that knocked the Tory party sideways again and again. The looked hungry for power, eager to make changes, the policies were clear and the party was focused

now it’s not a hill it’s a mountain to climb and yet a few points ahead (after the last six months) no one can truly claim that is something to feel confident with

Wait until 5 May @HRTQueen. And Sue Gray’s report. It’s not a mountain.

It’s not a mountain 🙄

it’s a huge majority

The public are well aware that Johnson lied it hasn’t changed opinion as much as it should a report won’t change much a leadership contest maybe but that doesn’t solve the issue of Labour not gaining the support they absolutely should be

what you are saying is wait for the Tories to fall on their dagger that seems to be the stance from the Labour Party too. They have again and again and still Labour are not forging ahead

Councillor elections don't reflect the general consensus of the electorate.

We have a Labour council and have done for as long as we've had a Conservative MP. It's very strange, especially as our council are bloody awful.

And, despite Labour claiming the cost of living rises are the Tories fault, our council tax is always raised by the max amount every year

what you are saying is wait for the Tories to fall on their dagger

I’m saying nothing of the sort. I’m saying that the Tories are shit scared of the local elections, they’re saying themselves that they think they’re going to lose 800 seats. Local elections are barometers.

Outside of Mumsnet and the Islington bubble, Thatcher is a hero.

@HRTQueen Johnson "a Power House of a Politician" ???

In what way? the man has the morals of an alley cat, lies, cheats... and now the High Court says he knowingly sent the elderly to spread CV in CH, killing '000s.

Oh and lied to the HoC, now admits he was at the Abba party.... for job interview...fgs.

I think the country is or soon will be, ready for a quieter style of politics, being PM shouldn't be like the X Factor.

Tend to agree with pretty much all you post but i don't go too much on mid term local elections, they can be a protest vote.

Two years is a long time in politics.

You’re a member of a very exclusive club @OctaviaC74! Yes, I agree that two years is a long time in politics but I can’t see the cost of living getting any better in the next two years and I strongly believe the next election will be won on the economy.

"And, despite Labour claiming the cost of living rises are the Tories fault, our council tax is always raised by the max amount every year"

Council funding comes from business rates, council tax and central government funding. Central government funding has been slashed so it's not surprising councils need to make up tne shortfall (and the increased costs for heating etc)

"This is because largely because of reductions in central government grants, which have been the most sharply cut component of local government revenue since 2009/10. Central government grants – including retained business rates – were cut 37% in real-terms between 2009/10 and 2019/20, from £41.0bn to £26.0bn in 2019/20 prices. "

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/local-government-funding-england

So even if you'd had a Tory council they still would have needed to raise money.