Page 8 | To think this is actually great PR for Angela Rayner?

ChampagneLassie · 2022-04-25T13:36:12+00:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61213711 I'm suprised the Mail article cause such a stir. And it's way more offensive to Boris than Angela. I think she's come off really well from this, raises her profile. I wouldn't be suprised if this was entirely made up by the journo and there is no leak.

Labscollie · 27/04/2022 19:14

Blossomtoes · 27/04/2022 17:13

So where were all these let's support a woman, when itvcame to Thatcher? The hypocrisy is astounding

Are you living in a time warp? Thatcher left power 32 years ago, half the posters on this thread weren’t adults or possibly not even born then! Anyway, she did fuck all to support women so why should we support her?

Very aggressive aren't you? Quite touchy when it comes to politics. I can see why you're a Rayner fan.

Labscollie · 27/04/2022 19:16

Blossomtoes · 27/04/2022 19:07

Where has Rayner shown female solidarity?

In a speech at the Labour Women’s Conference in 2016, Rayner gave rousing recognition to the work of women: “You are all our community leaders, running the food banks, providing the childcare, sitting in the council meetings, campaigning for our NHS, fighting for decent pensions, struggling for equality in the workplace, running the household budget and running our hospitals,” said Rayner.

..yet now she can't even recognise a woman biologically. What progress.

Blossomtoes · 27/04/2022 19:18

Very aggressive aren't you? Quite touchy when it comes to politics. I can see why you're a Rayner fan.

Not in the least aggressive. I’m neither a Rayner nor a Thatcher fan. I’m also not still living in the 20th century.

Notonthestairs · 27/04/2022 19:19

If Caroline Nokes and Andrea Leadsom can come out against the MoS article why wouldn't Conservative voters?

Labscollie · 27/04/2022 19:23

Blossomtoes · 27/04/2022 19:18

Very aggressive aren't you? Quite touchy when it comes to politics. I can see why you're a Rayner fan.

Not in the least aggressive. I’m neither a Rayner nor a Thatcher fan. I’m also not still living in the 20th century.

Your posts are very aggressive. Oh I live in the 21st century, I'm just not selective about history. I also know I don't have a penis.

Labscollie · 27/04/2022 19:26

LetitiaLeghorn · 27/04/2022 19:12

Thatcher was of a different political era. She had to fight the men in her own party. What she achieved, she achieved through her own endeavours and despite the misogyny she faced. There were no women quotas when she was around. There wasn't a man around that she couldnt and wouldn't take on and stand up to. She didn't complain if someone called her "dear" , she dealt with them herself. I wonder how many of today's women politicians would have survived back then.
The misogyny she faced was huge. And she often used it to her own advantage. I remember the 1987 election, the last Labour party broadcast before the vote was a cartoon by Willy Russell, lampooning her, not as a politician, but as a woman. I've never seen personal attacks like that on a man.

People like her and Barabara Castle were tough and able to stand their ground which I think is admirable. But I don't want women to go through that today. I want them to achieve on a level playing field. Not be so exhausted just getting on the field that they can't achieve anything!

A very fair post.

Blossomtoes · 27/04/2022 19:35

Interesting mention of the amazing Barbara Castle - who is Angela Rayner’s inspiration.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/angela-rayner-jack-straw-blackburn-boris-johnson-keir-starmer-b959663.html

Alexandra2001 · 27/04/2022 20:03

@EYProvider Touchy aren't you?
In reply to me saying she was once a teenage mum and care worker who worked herself up to the top of the Labour Party...
You said "we all know how she got there...."

What else was i supposed to assume you meant?

LetitiaLeghorn · 27/04/2022 20:53

Barbara Castle was an amazing woman and so was Margaret Thatcher. You can dislike people and disagree with their politics but for women to succeed in those times shows real determination and strength of character, especially as they had no connections to help them. I think they helped normalise women in positions of power.

EYProvider · 27/04/2022 20:55

@Alexandra2001 - Why on earth would you assume I meant that when I had repeatedly said I thought AR was promoted way above her capability to appeal to people who were perceived (by the Labour Party) to be working class thickos? It doesn’t even make sense.

What sort of mind would twist such a comment into an accusation like that?

Franklin12 · 27/04/2022 20:59

I must admit I thought that EY was referring to what Labour thought working class voters would vote for rather than her having done anything else.

Blossomtoes · 27/04/2022 21:05

LetitiaLeghorn · 27/04/2022 20:53

Barbara Castle was an amazing woman and so was Margaret Thatcher. You can dislike people and disagree with their politics but for women to succeed in those times shows real determination and strength of character, especially as they had no connections to help them. I think they helped normalise women in positions of power.

I can admire Thatcher’s achievement in getting to the top at a time and in a world that were hostile to women. I can’t forgive her for the damage she inflicted on the country and pulling the ladder up behind her for other women. The only woman she ever did anything for was herself.

Menomadness · 27/04/2022 21:15

My goodness there is some very nasty comments on this thread.
Regardless of what "team" you support can you not see the awfulness of the whole situation. NO WOMAN should have these kind of accusations.
Equally NO MAN should be watching porn at work!
The comments that say Angela Rayner can't answer a question and is as common as muck, thick as etc... can I ask do you feel the same about Nadine Dorries?
I am absolutely no fan of the Tory's but to decide to sell C4 when you have no clue how it's funded added with the most hideous interviews ever and the identical tweeting / disappearing tweets.... if you are judging on media appearances then I think you are picking on the wrong person.

Labscollie · 27/04/2022 21:18

LetitiaLeghorn · 27/04/2022 20:53

Barbara Castle was an amazing woman and so was Margaret Thatcher. You can dislike people and disagree with their politics but for women to succeed in those times shows real determination and strength of character, especially as they had no connections to help them. I think they helped normalise women in positions of power.

Totally agree. I find it cringeworthy that you can't mention such historical figures, without being accused of living in the past. Well that, and saying Thatcher was around before social media. I do despair.

newnamethanks · 27/04/2022 21:24

Absolutely right Blossom, Thatcher was well known for having little time or respect for the capabilities of other women in her field of operation. She used her femininity to intimidate the men around her and it was a useful weapon in her arsenal. Being the only woman suited her fine. She damaged this country beyond repair; 'look on my works, ye mighty, and despair'.

Perfectlystill · 27/04/2022 21:25

YANBU

She is loving it

LuluBlakey1 · 27/04/2022 21:29

picklemewalnuts · 27/04/2022 08:06

@Momicrone Trans women are women. As in, men can literally turn in to women and therefore are entitled to use women's spaces, win women's races etc.

I didn't know who she was before this, so she's had some been from it. I was confusing her with Clare Raynor, and was a bit surprised.

Particularly as Clare Raynor has been dead for about 10 years and was never an MP.

LuluBlakey1 · 27/04/2022 21:36

I think she is excellent challenging in tv debates, radio programmes, at the despatch box. I feel she lacks some dignity in how she dresses and at times looks bizarre- no more so than Johnson though.
In regard to the Mail story, I just wonder if it may yet turn out badly for her. They are adamant two female Tory MPs have said she joked with several of them whilst having a drink in Westminster about doing it - if they are prepared to be named that will put her in a very difficult position; joke or not. They have also unearthed a podcast where she makes a joke about being compared to the scene in Basic Instinct- seems a bit of a coincidence.

derxa · 27/04/2022 21:43

LuluBlakey1 · 27/04/2022 21:36

I think she is excellent challenging in tv debates, radio programmes, at the despatch box. I feel she lacks some dignity in how she dresses and at times looks bizarre- no more so than Johnson though.
In regard to the Mail story, I just wonder if it may yet turn out badly for her. They are adamant two female Tory MPs have said she joked with several of them whilst having a drink in Westminster about doing it - if they are prepared to be named that will put her in a very difficult position; joke or not. They have also unearthed a podcast where she makes a joke about being compared to the scene in Basic Instinct- seems a bit of a coincidence.

Totally

Piggywaspushed · 27/04/2022 21:50

Outside of Mumsnet and the Islington bubble, Thatcher is a hero.

I shall take you to -say- Glasgow and leave you on a corner somewhere proclaiming this.

Luculentus · 27/04/2022 21:50

It was a perfectly sensible response, in line with the pandemic issue. As with PPE, furlough was very much at the forefront of spending during the last two years. Damned for over subscribing to PPE, damned if they underestimated. The Tory bathers just love a good whinge.

Replying to a specific comment about wasting money on non-existent PPE by referring to furlough pay was a classic "Look over there" and very revealing response. So is this one, in many respects, as the issue is not either over- or under-subscribing, but paying for something that wasn't PPE at all.

HRTQueen · 27/04/2022 22:17

I agree that Rayner is the token working class senior minister. Have those that witter in about her rise to such a senior position actually seen her being interviewed she stumbles, back tracks and is often is ill prepared I expect better and want better for Labour

As for Labour being ahead in the polls that is the norm the opposition being ahead mid term. The lead has dropped since earlier in the year

Blair was ahead in the polls two years before the 1997 election by over 20 points. Corbyn was further ahead in the polls a year before the last election. After the last six months Labour should be ahead by at least 15 points it’s pitiful

They simply are not electable at the moment . The recent self id/what is a woman a few well chosen words uttered by Johnson was being politically savy and backfired considerably on Starmer it’s not just about his stance it’s once again shows floating voters Labour are no longer the party that supports the average man and women. Starmer could have corrected this but he has chosen not to.

all the cries of Labour is the kinder, fairer etc party and the Tories are awful and corrupt makes no difference the party need to offer the country an alternative that is worth voting for at the moment they are simply not.

Not being Tory is not enough to turn over an 80 seat majority

FridayiminlovewithRobertSmith · 27/04/2022 22:44

Wow what a thread!

People are so tribal people that they ignore the misogyny- which has been universally condemned as such by politicians of all stripes - because they don’t like:
a) Angela Rayner,
b) the Labour Party,
c) Her views of trans rights
d) People who were not alive at the time showing equal solidarity with Margaret Thatcher.

Oh and why are we assuming that she did not in fact “show off her legs and fanny”

Yes this is certainly a very special thread.

@Ohhhhladz you are my new hero for the best response ever to a ridiculous comment.

knowinglesseveryday · 27/04/2022 23:11

Well said @FridayiminlovewithRobertSmith

newnamethanks · 27/04/2022 23:19

It is a special thread. Where else, outside the DM and the HoC, will you find people complaining that a working class representative is too working class to represent the working class? Like that uppity John Prescott was. And Dennis Skinner. We're just too common for our own good. Thank heavens we have a government stuffed full of Eton Tories to tell us what to think and make sure we know our place. Which is over there. Not up here.