To think this is actually great PR for Angela Rayner?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61213711

I'm suprised the Mail article cause such a stir. And it's way more offensive to Boris than Angela. I think she's come off really well from this, raises her profile. I wouldn't be suprised if this was entirely made up by the journo and there is no leak.

I asked where was the female solidarity for Thatcher. I see her slated by many Labour voting females. Yet some posters on here have insinuated all women should support Rayner. It is ridiculously prescriptive to expect every female to support one another, just for their sex.

Proscriptive, I meant.

I asked where was the female solidarity for Thatcher

And I replied that she never showed any female solidarity. She didn’t even have other women in her cabinet, despite having some excellent female MPs to choose from. What a bloody ridiculous example to cite.

Neither do it.

But I can read

I asked where was the female solidarity for Thatcher. I see her slated by many Labour voting females. Yet some posters on here have insinuated all women should support Rayner. It is ridiculously prescriptive to expect every female to support one another, just for their sex

Did she ever complain that she was sexually harassed during the course of her working life or criticised for wearing a skirt and crossing her legs in the House?

She was around before social media.😂

Lab** I was baby a toddler when Thatcher was around. I don't agree with how they treated her as a woman (I don't agree with her politics though).

But it's like everything. Just because things were wrong in the last doesn't mean we shouldn't reflect and change.

Lots of things happened back in the 70's and 80's we do t accept now - and neither should we.

"some posters on here have insinuated all women should support Rayner. "

Isn't the suggestion - or insinuation if you prefer - that no female Parliamentarian should have to put up with the misogyny on display in the MoS this weekend?

I don't support Patel's politics but equally I'm not going to give air time to anyone suggesting she's trying to distract Starmer by moving her legs. Or having hair.

Steering through a global pandemic? You're surprised spending was so high?

Aren't you surprised that they managed to throw away £43 billion at a time when every penny counted, and that they aren't making any serious attempt to recover it? And how about the fat government contracts thrown at Conservative friends and relatives without any attempt at a sensible tendering process?

Ah, there's nothing like the good old "Look over there" argument for announcing to the world that you can't think of a sensible response to the actual point.

@Alexandra2001 - Are you some sort of a fantasist? I mean, you have totally made up that I accused AR of sleeping her way to the top (LOL - as if), and now you have convinced yourself that I meant that even if I didn’t say it. It didn’t even occur to me. In fact, I can’t imagine anyone less likely to have succeeded by sleeping their way to the top. God, no.

This might be the most controversial thing anyone has dared to say on Mumsnet, but I thought Margaret Thatcher was great. I grew up on a council estate in the 70s and 80s, and my life improved 100% when she took over. The years before her were miserable, filled with poverty, rubbish everywhere (bit like now only with better music, less TV channels and less crap to spend money on). She enabled my parents and many, many others to buy their council house and prosper.

If the Labour Party understood anything about working class voters, they would bin off AR and find someone more like Thatcher to appeal to the masses. Outside of Mumsnet and the Islington bubble, Thatcher is a hero.

Outside of Mumsnet and the Islington bubble, Thatcher is a hero 😂😂😂

She really isn’t. They daren’t put her statue up in Grantham for fear of what would happen to it.

I bet Mrs Rees Mogg is fed up of wearing her Thatcher cosplay just to get the victorian undertaker that is Jacob aroused

What an awful comment. If I said stuff like this there'd be a right pile on. Calling Angela 'Angela' causes fury in some.

JRM clearly is very happy in his own skin and doesn't feel the need to conform style wise. Good for him

Why on earth is it a ridiculous example? The question wasn't about her show of female solidarity, it was about female solidarity towards her. The pisstaking about her, above is a case in point. It seems Thatcher is fair game, but Rayner and Abbott are not. Yep, the hypocrisy is rife.

Lovely female solidarity going on here.

You’re really pushing this nonsense, aren’t you? Why would women show solidarity to a female politician who didn’t give a shit about them? And the point I made about her statue is a fact, she’s not even revered in her home town. 🤷‍♀️

I would say she had far more to deal with, such as keeping greedy fat cat union leaders in check, and sorting out the Falklands. Petty issues about crossing and uncrossing her legs, I doubt would have fazed her.

There you go again, it's nonsense now is it? Typical arrogant language used to try and bully others into your way of thinking. I said the goalposts would move when Thatcher was introduced. Well done for proving me right. Where has Rayner shown female solidarity? Where has SHE deserved reverence?

I definitely recall it being reported that Thatcher was propositioned by a drunken Tory VIP at some social occasion. Apparently, she told him he wouldn't be up to it in his current state. But she was assuredly not in favour of female solidarity, being a fan of the triumph of the will and responsibility of individuals for their own survival.

Ah, we have a riddler here. It was a perfectly sensible response, in line with the pandemic issue. As with PPE, furlough was very much at the forefront of spending during the last two years. Damned for over subscribing to PPE, damned if they underestimated. The Tory bathers just love a good whinge.

Where has Rayner shown female solidarity?

In a speech at the Labour Women’s Conference in 2016, Rayner gave rousing recognition to the work of women: “You are all our community leaders, running the food banks, providing the childcare, sitting in the council meetings, campaigning for our NHS, fighting for decent pensions, struggling for equality in the workplace, running the household budget and running our hospitals,” said Rayner.

@Labscollie sorry, do you want female solidarity or not? Do you want an end to misogyny? Is it only important if it impacts women you like?

...responsibility of individuals for their own progression. The free market etc. I don't see the relevance of female solidarity here.

Thatcher was of a different political era. She had to fight the men in her own party. What she achieved, she achieved through her own endeavours and despite the misogyny she faced. There were no women quotas when she was around. There wasn't a man around that she couldnt and wouldn't take on and stand up to. She didn't complain if someone called her "dear" , she dealt with them herself. I wonder how many of today's women politicians would have survived back then.
The misogyny she faced was huge. And she often used it to her own advantage. I remember the 1987 election, the last Labour party broadcast before the vote was a cartoon by Willy Russell, lampooning her, not as a politician, but as a woman. I've never seen personal attacks like that on a man.

People like her and Barabara Castle were tough and able to stand their ground which I think is admirable. But I don't want women to go through that today. I want them to achieve on a level playing field. Not be so exhausted just getting on the field that they can't achieve anything!