To think this is actually great PR for Angela Rayner?

[ChampagneLassie]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61213711

I'm suprised the Mail article cause such a stir. And it's way more offensive to Boris than Angela. I think she's come off really well from this, raises her profile. I wouldn't be suprised if this was entirely made up by the journo and there is no leak.

She’s as thick as mince. If I were her I’d be more worried that she can’t string a coherent sentence together than anything else. I can’t stand the tories especially the duplicitous Boris, but she’s just can’t answer a question straight, or give any sensible alternative when questioned about how she’d do things differently.

Totally, it's unacceptable that a working class yoik (and a woman no less!) has the audacity to get in to politics and to take a prominent role in it.

Politics is a refined pursuit, one that requires a certain breeding and education. It's an awful state of affairs when the plebs below not only get ideas above their station but are then allowed to act on them to!!

that's what you sound like @Rhondapearlman

Ask her who has a cervix

@Thebestwaytoscareatory I couldn’t care less that she’s a working class woman, as am I. I couldn’t care less about her “breeding”. That’s not a phrase I would ever use and that’s not what I said, nor do I think any kind of “refined” education is better than her background. It’s clearly not because she represents more of the population than the Tory toffs because of her working class background. You’ve paraphrased what I said and changed it into something completely different. I care that she can’t give a viable alternative whenever she’s interviewed and asked about what alternative action she would take, to whatever issue she is talking about. She a lot of bluster and very little substance. She lets herself down because of this.

I am struggling to see the issue here - which of the things AR said isn't true?

She certainly isn't as thick as mince.

Yup and a very thinly veiled hatred of anyone from North of Islington is very prevalent on here too.

Having seen the carefully cropped pictures, obviously of her in movement wearing a wrap dress, I would say that the journalists responsible for this have tried, successfully in some minds, to reframe her as a less than professional woman, denigrating her intellect etc.

It hardly matters who she is. The important question is WHY? Who is she a threat to? Was she the intended target of this stupidity or just collateral damage in yet another political manipulation?

Whatever the case, it is abhorrent and say very little good about those in charge of our mainstream media.

Quite. Her inability to offer alternative ideas has nothing to do with her being a woman, it's because she the Labour DL, and the whole party are clueless.

Quite. Her inability to offer alternative ideas has nothing to do with her being a woman, it's because she the Labour DL, and the whole party are clueless

Labour have suggested a whole host of different ideas, from education to NHS to energy costs and AR has talked a lot about them.... but if you come from the stance that "Labour are bad" then you obviously wont be listening.

It hardly matters who she is. The important question is WHY? Who is she a threat to?

She's a threat to the leader of a political party that's never had a woman at its helm who's only 6 points ahead of an abominable Tory party in the polls...

It certainly puts the person who made the comments in a worse light than Angela Rayner. But it is depressing that so many men clearly still think this way - and many in Parliament.

Er - it's clearly not just men (although they are of course the majority)

From the comments here and elsewhere she certainly worries many Tories. She has performed pretty well against Boris's buffoon act during PM questions.

Apparently she had admitted making these remarks to 3 other colleagues, one also a woman,

Ah yes, the Daily Hate has said this today but they provide absolutely no evidence for it. Which is interesting. They also say she laughed about it in a podcast. I listened to clip, she talks about how mortified she is to have people saying these things about her and laughs when she says she wouldn’t have to do that to distract Johnson, as he’s very easily distracted anyway. So again the daily Mail are lying about AR. Let’s not forget it’s a wonderful distraction from the total ineptitude of this government and particularly the lies of our PM.

I don't like her and I don't like Emily Thornberry but I think the two of them would be much more of a threat than Starmer.

Women can certainly have internalised misogyny but they aren't in general going about sexually harrassing, raping, assaulting and murdering the opposite sex, or indeed anyone, in large numbers, it's men who do that, and men who are the issue. Men.

It's fascinating that there are reports 4 MPs have said Rayner was the source of the 'crossing and uncrossing legs' story, they all overheard her bellowing about it in the HOC.

So I'm baffled by all her faux outrage tbh.

Can you link to those reports? I assume the MPs have been named.

'Can you link to those reports? I assume the MPs have been named.'

Don't think papers name their sources do they?

I wonder if it was all Labour's very own dead cat to distract from Durham Partygate that doesn't seem to be going away..

And the report?

They name sources when the source is willing to stand behind the story. Odd that they aren't prepared to be named. They could take the heat off their boss.

So you don't know if it's true but you're victim blaming.

The Durham party gate isn't going away in the same way that the stolen election isn't going away in the states.

Because thick uninformed snowflakw babies won't shut up about them

You think it's only 'thick uniformed snowflake babies' who are pointing out Starmer's hypocrisy? Even Lisa Nandy has allegedly told him to stfu about Partgate as perhaps she can see how people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Where did you read that about Lisa Nandy?

I can’t wait until this lying, incompetent government are all sat on the backbenches. That will be a day to celebrate.