AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..

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People (from what I am reading in a variety of places on the internet) seem to have decided this even before the trial has been concluded. Presumably, we won't know all of the evidence until the trial ends.

The previous trial in the UK concluded that there was indeed evidence that JD was indeed a wife beater. How come everyone feels that they are sure previous trial had the wrong verdict?

No the first time he took the sun newspaper to court,
amber was a witness for the sun newspaper in that case.
this is the first time he is suing her

Not RTFT but I think it's because people don't want to believe it of him. She is less well known, so it's easier to turn her into the villain.

The actually both appear to be completely batshit and the best thing would be for both of them to never see each other ever again.

What for me is the thing she recorded of him self harming.
her words were along the lines of, you can’t expect that knife to cut you, it won’t even cut meat, you need a sharper one.
she recorded that herself.
depp has his issues for sure, but she’s pure evil.
and with regards to the texts, when I was in the process of leaving my abusive ex, i sent some messages to my friend describing how I’d like him to die. I’m sure many others have done it to.

I think they're both bad and deserved each other. But I'm not about to stick up for and bakc her for the simple fact she is female.... Sometimes females aren't perfect souls stomped down by men and need women power to life them up and all that peace love and mungbean stuff. Sometimes they're just shit people who happen to be female.

Feel similar about Meaghan Markle.... Not going to defend shit people because they're women. They get themselves into the spotlight over drama and sometimes it ends up they've caused, contributed to or to blame for it.

But in the case of Amber I think she's as much to blame as he is. I think if he ends up in it and she doesn't it will be because she's a poor fragile woman not because she isn't at fault.

Repeatedly on this thread it's: 'but she shat the bed' but no mention of his admission in texting: 'Let's drown her before we burn her and f@k her dead corpse to make sure she's dead'.

There is a world of difference between doing and saying - surely you can see that?

Also, while I believe they had a toxic relationship and brought out the worst in each other, isn't it rather telling that Johnny's exes haven't come out in agreement with Amber? She has been lying which doesn't exactly help her case.

i once discussed this on Reddit (before this trial but after the last one ). General consensus there was he was innocent she was guilty and that the sun trial was “kangaroo court”. All her evidence was bollocks and all his was infallible.

After last trial I thought he was abusive and she was just behaving like a “bad victim”. Now I’m not sure. He’s definitely not innocent though!

Amber Heard doesn't have to have a "case", because it's not about her and what she may or may not have done. Depp has chosen, twice now, to go to court to try to prove that it is defamation/libel to describe him as an abuser. He has to show that he is not abusive, not that she is (too).

RosesInTheHospital totally agree about Paul Bettany. He must be pissed off at having his name dragged into this. It's going to damage his reputation massively.

The only people who ever win in cases like this are the lawyers.
Does anyone know if he has to prove beyond reasonable doubt he wasn't abusive? Apparently even if the jury believes he wasn't abusive he may still lose due to Amber's right to freedom of speech.
She's counter suing him-does that mean they'll be another trial or is it all included in this one?

And what relevance does the bed shit incident have to the trial? Yeah it’s grim (if it’s true) but it doesn’t really say anything about whether Johnny Depp is abusive. I think he just likes to bring it up to humiliate her.

I have been trying to stay away from the coverage because I’m not interested, but I have seen a few seconds of clips on reddit.

If genuinely looks like he is jeering at her and her counsel, he is openly talking like he is the poor wronged man. Interesting how the clips are compared - ha ha look at JD getting one over AH and OMG look at how AH goes from quivering lip upset to smiling at her counsel.

its just another example of how sexist and misogynistic society is.

all systems have been designed by white men to benefit white men. Good luck if you are female or non-white.

Yeah that's the reason lol

The difference between this one and the British case is he's suing Amber who signed a non disclosure agreement not to talk about their marriage after the divorce, to get her $7m. She has clearly defamed him whether it's true or not.

@SquirrelG

no I don’t think that is “rather telling”, I think it is exactly to be expected of the yes men culture of Hollywood.

What I think is “telling” is the level
of denial and victim blaming.

Depp and his cronies will be remembered for their grotesque courtroom antics. I genuinely hope this is the ruin of him, he deserves nothing else.

What a misogynistic, arrogant, repugnant miscreant he is.

Yes 100% there!

I honestly don't know why he is taking it to court. Who would want to drag their personal life into public eye not to mention him talking in detail about his childhood. The whole thing makes me cringe

Did you also text your friends fantasies of how you would rape his corpse after killing him?

Can you imagine an abused woman afraid of her husband doing that? Talking about a little victory ride to make sure he's dead?

I think this is absolutely bang on.

I'm not a JD fan, not really seen many of his films. Not fussed about him either way. Conversely, I liked AH in Aquaman.

If a woman had a drink and drug problem, but was also hit by her husband, and subjected to emotional abuse, we wouldn't be saying "ah well, she brought it on herself as she's a druggie/alcoholic.....she must be a nightmare to live with".

If a woman had her finger sliced off by her husband....if a woman was constantly having things thrown at her by her husband.....if a woman was constantly subjected to her husband shouting at her, and following her around the house while she locked herself in bathrooms to get away from his behaviour..... no one would think twice about her texting her best mate and joking about burying him under the patio, or various other unpleasant things.

The recordings speak for themselves. AH mocks JD and tells him to "go and tell the world you've been abused and see if they believe you". She admits hitting him on the audio recording and tells him "not to be a baby".

Reverse the sexes and see if you come to the same conclusion that Amber Heard isn't an abuser. It doesn't matter if JD was drinking or taking drugs (and even a lot of that is in question if you read the evidence). There is objective evidence that AH was responsible for physical and emotional abuse. And if she was a man, people would be viewing this very differently.

And actually, what upsets me the most about all of this is that Amber Heard is abusing the MeToo movement for her own manipulative agenda. It makes it harder for all the genuine victims of domestic abuse to be believed in the future because she sounded so believable.

Yes, we live in a frustratingly patriarchal society when misogyny is rife - but that's not what's going on in this case. Men can be victims of domestic abuse - but apparently if you're a millionaire movie star with a history of drug abuse, even audio recordings and proof that your ex lied about using makeup to cover bruises isn't enough for people to believe you.

Men can be victims of domestic abuse - but apparently if you're a millionaire movie star with a history of drug abuse, even audio recordings and proof that your ex lied about using makeup to cover bruises isn't enough for people to believe you.

But this case isn't about whether he's a victim of abuse. It's about whether she's defamed him in saying she is.

I won’t say what my texts said on this board. And I also don’t believe she was abused. That’s just my opinion based on what I’ve seen of the trial.

That’s just my opinion based on what I’ve seen of the trial.

what about this

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/2911.html

Admittedly it's a long read

No, I completely appreciate the trial is about whether she is guilty of defamation. But fundamental to that is the argument about whether she was abused, and as part of that conversation it's natural to unpick their relationship - and that means discussions on whether she was the abuser. If she was the abuser that is very relevant to her claims of being a victim of domestic above.

‘The extortionist French cunt’? That one of the exes? Who knows how free they feel to speak ill of Johnny Depp, given financial ties to him, and quite possibly an unwillingness to subject themselves to the attentions of his paid troll farms.

it’s alleged that she shit in the bed. There’s no proof of that at all. He speaks freely in his texts about raping her corpse.

Johnny Depp has contradicted himself across court cases, and his texts paint a very different picture to the one he is trying to portray. He is no less untrustworthy or manipulative than she is.

If she was the abuser that is very relevant to her claims of being a victim of domestic above

not really, they can both be both (abuser and abused)