AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..

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People (from what I am reading in a variety of places on the internet) seem to have decided this even before the trial has been concluded. Presumably, we won't know all of the evidence until the trial ends.

The previous trial in the UK concluded that there was indeed evidence that JD was indeed a wife beater. How come everyone feels that they are sure previous trial had the wrong verdict?

She hasn't elicited the sympathy from women that you might usually expect and
I think thats mainly because shes a manipulative liar who is putting on a performance and women can see through that more easily than men....

He isn't coming across well but seems stupider and unlikely to be as manipulative.

I think they both come across terribly to be honest.

Johnny Depp tried to sue the Sun Newspaper when they reported that he was a wife beater. The courts decided that there was sufficient evidence that Johnny Depp was a wife beater so he lost the case.

They're both awful but she is coming off worse currently. He's shit too though just slightly less shit.

The odd thing I see is that his exs seem to think he was fine yet her exs seem to think she was dreadful. He doesn't come across well but neither does she. It basically sounds like this was one dreadful relationship. I suspect its going on now as AH will be looking to her book and film production. I did hear somewhere that much of her evidence was being orchestrated by her PR. Book of the relationship is probably ready to roll.j

I started with the opposite assumption actually, it seemed like a sad cliche of a story. However, I gradually have reached the opposite conclusion having seen so much of the evidence that was shown in the first trial ie recordings of actual conversations between them along with various reports from people who have known them both. That now makes me believe that although both come off badly, she comes over far worse. She seems to fit all of the classic abuser behaviours, from emotional gaslighting right through to physical assault. It looks as though she set JD up and assumed that she would win in the court of public opinion because of the me-too movement that was at its peak when this all kicked off. She may still be right about that, but the fact that she is using that very important issue in this way really offends me tbh.

I really think if you take their sex out of the equation it is pretty obvious what has gone on. I suppose that is a good thing in that it highlights that relationship abuse doesn't have to be gender-specific, and starts a much needed conversation for men who have suffered this, but JD is hardly the most sympathetic victim tbh.

Well the replies have proved your point nicely OP. Fwiw I thought he came across appallingly on the stand this week. The usual blaming of a wife for his own drinking and drug abuse, all done in a self-pitying ‘poor me’ alcoholic manner. Yawn.

Only way to know is to watch the trial. Then you won't be confused. You obviously care. Just go watch it.

is the 💩 in the bed thing

Internalised misogyny - we all have it 🤷‍♀️

Even me as I caught myself thinking what a mad fucker she's coming across as when I SHOULD not be getting past...

"I'M GOING TO FUCK HER DEAD CORPSE"

They both come across as terrible people.

It’s actually embarrassing the stuff I keep seeing on Facebook people posting as though he some hero

she is clearly an abusive arsehole and there is no excusing that but he is not totally innocent either IE what a poster above has posted about the text message he sent about fucking her corpse

sick . They are both awful

I think the bar for men is pretty low. My own opinion is that it was a toxic marriage where both behaved abusively and probably brought out the worst in each other. AH has been recorded admitting to hitting him and been caught being dishonest.

However JD speaks in a vile way about both AH and VP, he clearly has issues from a fucked up childhood, he abuses drugs, was addicted to them at points in his marriage, and drinks an awful lot and was recorded behaving aggressively. Even going by his own admissions, he's not innocent or even a particularly good husband or father.

They are both as mad as a box of frogs!! But doing a 💩 in the bed!! it really does take the biscuit in my eyes!!

I don't think acknowledging that she is a vile, manipulative, gaslighting abuser is internalised misogyny. They both have major issues but she is a mad fucker.

Texting shit to your friends (while vile) isn't the same as actually being violent. Amber Heard is still very much alive! I think this was a toxic relationship and JD isn't coming out well but few people are buying the notion that AH is solely a victim and not also a perpetrator of violence.
Shitting in his bed is definitely in abuser territory and if he had done it to her then I agree with the pp who said we'd all be calling him a psycho.
A poster on another thread said all this public battling is a plague on both their houses. I can't see how they can come back from this

Let me add that JD also comes across as a mad fucker.

It's a certain type of woman that is attracted to men like Johnny Depp and the tinder swindler

I assume they are both awful people.

Also we have such a huge problem of worshiping celebrity in the U.K. and the US and we tolerate things from our celebs that we wouldn't tolerate from a normal person.

I've thought that ever since Michael Jackson talked about having sleepovers with young boys knowing full well that if it was the guy down your street you wouldn't think it was sweet or that he was just reliving his childhood!

Repeatedly on this thread it's: 'but she shat the bed' but no mention of his admission in texting: 'Let's drown her before we burn her and f@k her dead corpse to make sure she's dead'.*

This I mean who says that!

They both sound pretty dreadful

Even me as I caught myself thinking what a mad fucker she's coming across as when I SHOULD not be getting past...

"I'M GOING TO FUCK HER DEAD CORPSE"

Exactly.

Quite why people feel the need to take a side is baffling. No one's asking them too.

It was clearly a fucking awful marriage, but the hoards of women on SM proudly labelling themselves 'Team Burnt Out Corpse Fucker' is telling its own appalling story.

Why assume that we assume?

My default position is to believe the woman. This is my exception to that rule.

Yup I think this. My ex dh was an abuser and he would be exactly the same .