AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..

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People (from what I am reading in a variety of places on the internet) seem to have decided this even before the trial has been concluded. Presumably, we won't know all of the evidence until the trial ends.

The previous trial in the UK concluded that there was indeed evidence that JD was indeed a wife beater. How come everyone feels that they are sure previous trial had the wrong verdict?

It's really horrifying the amount of people swooning over JD. They're both awful people but women's standards must be depressingly low to find him attractive knowing about his behaviour.

"even though there is real evidence she beat him"
Nothing proved, nothing in court
But even if she did beat him, does that then make it alright if he hit her? She bought it on herself, did she?

I've been following this case for awhile I agree with this

@PlasticineMeg

You dont honestly believe shes completely innocent surely?

I have seen lots of comments of people saying his ex partners have said he was never abusive towards them and run with this as evidence that he couldn't hurt a soul. It is frustrating as just because someone wasn't abusive towards one person does not mean they can't be abusive to someone else. That said they both come across bad in it. We are getting two biased sides of the story and will not find the truth in the middle.

She admitted it

Yes he is just as bad but she admitted it why do people find it hard to believe when she admits it herself

😂😂😂

And her ex partner says she was abusive to him if she was a man we would say this was a massive red flag past behaviour predicts future behaviour

Had this conversation earlier. Not sure he’s an angel in all of this, but Amber Turd is almost certainly a nutter. The whole thing is embarrassing.

This. Exactly.

Depp has decided, twice now, to take Heard to court over an article she wrote (not naming him) where she described herself as a victim of domestic abuse. He lost the UK trial and hopes to be able to persuade a US court where there are obviously differences in how the case can be argued, the evidence given etc etc.

The argument is not about whether Heard was (also) abusive, it's solely about whether Depp was towards Heard, and so whether what she wrote was libellous/defamation or whatever the correct US term is. She isn't a "perfect victim", she is obviously unpleasant and damaged herself, but none of that is relevant to this specific court case.

It is a good thing that they are now divorced. Depp deciding to pursue these court cases has the effect of damaging both their reputations considerably more than the original article Heard wrote imo. Then there's also the knock on damage to those dragged into it as witnesses. I can never think of Paul Bettany in a positive light now, and I used to enjoy watching his performances.

Claudiusthegod, far from victim blaming, I was referring to the deluded posters on these pro Johnny Depp threads

Johhny depraved sick mofo 🤔

JD was bad in this relationship. Possibly emotionally abusive with the texts he sent to friends. However what we have as fact with amber is that she hit him, and that she was actually arrested for abusing a past partner. I have no doubt Johnny was a bad person to be married to with his addictions, but she recording him throwing up from withdrawals, recorded him self harming and I’m sure many other times not seen in court. If anyone knows small dogs they know it’s very unlikely their poop was that large. His behaviour lines up with his story: he was an unstable addict. Her behaviour does not add up to me. I will let the jury decide though.

I haven’t seen many (anyone?) suggest he is a good guy… I also don’t think she has been the pinnacle of good behaviour. They both appear to have been abusive to eachother.

Jeez knowing the size of said shit is a tad over invested

@Momicrone I saw a photo in the trial when I watched for half an hour after work. I didn’t trek google for hours 🤣

Yes the

You watched the trial for half an hour!

I think the other way though perhaps it depends on what we're reading. Men beat and control women with scary frequency. Male celebrities are just men and do so, therefore, with the same frequency as other men. The vast majority of people who accuse others of abusing them are telling the truth. But every now and then you find a person who lies about abuse to manipulate others. Celebrities will also do this. What I'm seeing is some people assuming that because Amber is a woman, she is telling the truth and is the 'good guy'. I don't think that's a warranted assumption. I can easily believe he's an abuser. I can easily believe she's a liar. I can easily believe both. Assuming that a woman is speaking the truth is no more helpful than assuming that a man is the good guy.

They are both nuts, unpleasant, over-indulged petulant people, with more money than sense, who shouldn't even be in the same room together let alone a marriage. Lawyers must love them.

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/2911.html

The judgement in the U.K. trial is worth a read, if anyone would like to educate themselves beyond snippets picked up on SM.

Its really long and detailed, something like 12 incidents were judged to be assault on Heard (so wifebeater being an accurate descriptor) and 3 of which she was judged to be reasonably in fear of her life.

Tbf, he described the script that victims of abusive or manipulative partners go through

Who??? Never heard about him.

'The odd thing I see is that his exs seem to think he was fine yet her exs seem to think she was dreadful.'

Truly remarkable that Paradis continues to back him. It's not every woman would do that for a man on record as having referred to her as a 'withering cunt' and 'extortionist French cunt'.