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AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..

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Cowslip4567 · 24/04/2022 20:04

People (from what I am reading in a variety of places on the internet) seem to have decided this even before the trial has been concluded. Presumably, we won't know all of the evidence until the trial ends.

The previous trial in the UK concluded that there was indeed evidence that JD was indeed a wife beater. How come everyone feels that they are sure previous trial had the wrong verdict?

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misssatan · 29/04/2022 18:05

"And all the abuse apologists need to remember that their sycophantic tweets and messages don't affect Depp at all. They don't affect Amber. What they do is send a clear message to every victim of abuse that society doesn't give a shit about them if their abuser has money or fame or is male."

I should apply that to yourself and anyone who is an apologist for female abuse and disregards and disbelieves male victims.

Covetthee · 29/04/2022 18:09

lets also not forget the Audio of Depp saying to Amber ‘you gave as good as you got’

whilst i don’t deny Amber is obviously abusive as well i don’t like this narrative that people keep saying ‘no evidence, means it didn’t happen to her’

what does that say about domestic abuse victims that never have any proof?

depp never lost public support, him constantly going after Amber publicly about all this says alot about him imo.

anyways the case is not about whether she was abusive or not, its whether he lost roles due to her article which he was never named, and he didn’t.. the were rumours before then his drug use and drinking was costing studios lots of money and he would lose his role

misssatan · 29/04/2022 18:12

"All I read is ‘she lied’ but not about what."

The principle lies are about her injuries and the damage to the flat. Various witness so no damage to her face or apartment, including a neighbour, a police officers and a makeup artist. She also lied about donating her divorce payout to charities. She did no such thing. There are many others but those are the most important ones.

Theunamedcat · 29/04/2022 18:17

ENoeuf · 29/04/2022 18:03

I think I’m so enraged by it because my ex is a charming popular type, lots of social friends, and if we both pitched our version of the marriage he would ‘win’.

There is this too my ex is superficially popular for brief periods of time before he does something and moves on to the next set of friends but he is popular and people DO believe him despite all his arrrests despite the hole in my door that he put my daughters head into for defending me despite having loads of real evidence to the contrary people believe he is such a great man and father he actually chooses not to see his own children and blames me for this I mean why do people believe them? I don't get it I'm even a "wrong un" for claiming child support he was paying me nothing 🤷

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 18:18

Actually Eric Idle posted on Twitter about it.

misssatan · 29/04/2022 18:54

", its whether he lost roles due to her article which he was never named, and he didn’t.. the were rumours before then his drug use and drinking was costing studios lots of money and he would lose his role"

Rumours aren't evidence. Given what his agent said and how soon after her accusations he lost the role it's far more likely that her article was the reason he got fired, particularly as the films would be nothing without him. How do you replace Jack Sparrow?

Covetthee · 29/04/2022 19:12

misssatan · 29/04/2022 18:54

", its whether he lost roles due to her article which he was never named, and he didn’t.. the were rumours before then his drug use and drinking was costing studios lots of money and he would lose his role"

Rumours aren't evidence. Given what his agent said and how soon after her accusations he lost the role it's far more likely that her article was the reason he got fired, particularly as the films would be nothing without him. How do you replace Jack Sparrow?

Yes and they need to prove it was the article that caused his loss. All this he said she said he did she did’ is not the point of this.

he is suing for defamation. So everyone can shout till their blue in the face that amber is an abuser, the case isn’t about that. If thats what he wanted he should have sued her for that.

so unless someone from from disney or whatever company actually confirms they fired him due to the article then this whole lawsuit is pointless other than johnny trying to get up on Amber in anyway he can…

Why do you think ambers lawyers keep going on about his drugs and alcohol use!? Because they will argue that’s the reason he lost his roles.

also im pretty sure he is in the process of being sued by a crew member from
one his movies so i’m sure that doesn’t help him maintain roles.

Aspiringmatriarch · 29/04/2022 19:23

also im pretty sure he is in the process of being sued by a crew member from
one his movies so i’m sure that doesn’t help him maintain roles.

Yep... for assault.

TruthHertz · 29/04/2022 19:34

Wiki relies on users updating pages, and doesn’t always exactly fact check either. "

But all the studies are linked and can be checked out. Why don't you just admit that you don't like their findings.

This is what turns me off many isms, including feminism tbh. They start out from honourable intentions, but then people become so blinkered by the ideology that they will reject any data that questions their beliefs.

misssatan · 29/04/2022 19:46

also im pretty sure he is in the process of being sued by a crew member from
one his movies so i’m sure that doesn’t help him maintain roles.

"Yep... for assault."

Yes, by a man who mounted a racist attack on a black homeless woman.

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/johnny-depp-backed-female-crew-185427250.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

RoseslnTheHospital · 29/04/2022 19:54

Allegedly.

RonaldMcDonald · 30/04/2022 01:09

Depp was repeatedly late for Pirates 5 - not a little late but periods of lateness like 5 hrs. He was a mess whilst in Australia - there were endless press pieces about him be an addict and looking dire.
He really didn’t like the script - he made that clear. It was the worst performing of the franchise.
In addition he had people like Dan Wooton clearly state he was a wife beater - as proven in court. Disney are notoriously a brand which is keen to stay squeaky clean.
He said even if they had offered him Pirates 6 $300 million plus alpacas wouldn’t have enticed him to do so.

i don’t think a WAPO ACLU piece not naming him is the thing that ended his partnership with Disney. I think his believing her was Jack Sparrow on drugs which did that. And he was a wife beater.

Boulshired · 30/04/2022 08:39

Ambers on the stand next week, it’s going to be uncomfortable for both of them. The biggest losers are victims of domestic abuse. His career was already in the gutter, she attracting negative publicity to organisations she’s linked to. It’s been reported she’s in aquaman 2 for less than 10 minutes.
Amber will have some extremely hard questions to answer, her violence and for her the divorce settlement and the pledge/donate isn’t going to be a great argument and whilst nothing to do with the violence it really is not a good look especially if she hasn’t paid the childrens hospital. Then there is still the sexual assault to get through. This is going to attract millions of people to this case for all the wrong reasons.

misssatan · 30/04/2022 09:02

"He was a mess whilst in Australia"

Hardly surprising. He was being physically abused by his wife.

PlasticineMeg · 30/04/2022 09:19

Haven’t been on this thread for a few days and was going to come back and reply individually to certain posts but honestly I CBA because people are so starry eyed at their beloved Jack Sparrow that nothing I say will ever make them think he’s anything other than a total victim who was only ever super lovely (as a raging violent drunk) to his wife. I’ve said this before - he could have beaten her up on the red carpet and people would still make excuses for him. And they don’t want to admit that if it was Kev who works in Tesco, they wouldn’t feel the same. So the thread is near anyway and im not wasting my time replying to slightly sim misogynists who can’t separate the character from the man.

PlasticineMeg · 30/04/2022 09:19

I also don’t really give too many shits about trying to convince misogynists that they’re misogynists. Not my circus, not my monkeys

TheKeatingFive · 30/04/2022 09:23

I’ve said this before - he could have beaten her up on the red carpet and people would still make excuses for him.

Yeah I think that's true. There's literally nothing that would shift some people's positions here.

HRTQueen · 30/04/2022 09:23

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 17:02

I'm a DV survivor and I find the fact that Amber Heard is lying about being abused extremely triggering. She's no victim. Why on earth would she fight to be allowed every single day at a trial where she was only needed as a witness. There is not a chance I would have done that. I would have had a hard enough time going when I was needed.
Who would speak to their abuser the way she did on those tapes. Not anyone who feared for their life that's for sure.
She cried PTSD for her counter claim and it was proven that she extensively exaggerated. Funny how she had no PTSD before now.

i have been in an abusive relationship too and a victim of extreme abuse as a child

I don’t judge other women on how I expect them to behave and there isn’t one way we are all different no one should be judged as being worthy of being seen as a victim

while many didn’t believe me (relationship abuse) and the violence was minimised (by the police to) and excuses were made (no surprise he couldn’t remember 🙄) it was very hurtful and impacted my confidence even more

but I didn’t have the worlds press and thousands of articles written about me, insisting I lied, delving into every little detail of my life, examining everything I have said and basically deciding I was a liar because I wasn’t an emotional wreck in public.

please don’t use your reasoning of the abuse you suffered to claim another woman isn’t a victim

anyone who has worked in domestic violence (like myself) will know that we are all individual

misssatan · 30/04/2022 09:32

"I also don’t really give too many shits about trying to convince misogynists that they’re misogynists. Not my circus, not my monkeys"

Standard response of a certain sort of person. You don't think Depp was a wifebeater, you're a misogynist! You don't think BLM or Antifa are great organisations, you're a racist! You don't think men or women can change sex, you're a transphobe! etc. etc. etc.

It never occurs to bigots that someone can genuinely have a difference of opinion without being evil. I don't know if that's a sign of their insecurity in their position or an inability to think critically. Whatever it is it's very boring and tiresome and far more common that it should be.

misssatan · 30/04/2022 09:33

"Yeah I think that's true. There's literally nothing that would shift some people's positions here."

Very true and it applies to both sides.

PlasticineMeg · 30/04/2022 09:38

misssatan · 30/04/2022 09:32

"I also don’t really give too many shits about trying to convince misogynists that they’re misogynists. Not my circus, not my monkeys"

Standard response of a certain sort of person. You don't think Depp was a wifebeater, you're a misogynist! You don't think BLM or Antifa are great organisations, you're a racist! You don't think men or women can change sex, you're a transphobe! etc. etc. etc.

It never occurs to bigots that someone can genuinely have a difference of opinion without being evil. I don't know if that's a sign of their insecurity in their position or an inability to think critically. Whatever it is it's very boring and tiresome and far more common that it should be.

😂😂says the person who’s shown nothing but serious cognitive dissonance throughout this thread, made sweeping statements such as ‘it’s not true more women are victims of DV’ time and again with no proof or back up despite being asked, and going from “loads of feminists think men have no problems” to “I did’t mean loads of feminists I meant people on this thread” and then when challenged “Well no one has said it but that’s what feminists think” 🤣 it’s like being told by Boris Johnson that you’re slightly too right wing

PlasticineMeg · 30/04/2022 09:40

misssatan · 30/04/2022 09:33

"Yeah I think that's true. There's literally nothing that would shift some people's positions here."

Very true and it applies to both sides.

Think is the other ‘side’ HAVE said that AH was abusive to him - absolutely nobody has denied that - but ‘your’ side refuse to acknowledge that he was ever so much as unkind. Ergo you are simply annoyed more people don’t think that JD, the man with a history of violence (and it doesn’t matter if one of his victims may or may not be a racist, he was still violent to him), is a saint who never put a foot wrong in his marriage

misssatan · 30/04/2022 09:49

"please don’t use your reasoning of the abuse you suffered to claim another woman isn’t a victim"

I don't think they are. They're saying Heard's actions don't make much sense if you think of her as the victim of abuse.

Lots of us have suffered abuse. I did so at the hands of my grandmother and I'll be the first to admit it colours my perception of Heard because I recognise things in her from my childhood.

The only reason the abuse stopped is that I grew big enough and fed up enough to hit back. Hard. She immediately resorted to her poor old woman act (she was in her 40s, my mother had me when she was 15 and promptly abandoned me) and threatened to call the police.

Had she actually done so I might well have been called the abuser if she was believed and not me. Some might have claimed we were as awful as each other and that the abuse was mutual. If I was male I think the chances of me being believed would have been considerably reduced.

I don't know if Depp ever hit Heard. He may have done in retaliation. He claims not and that might also be true. All I know is that he has no history of domestic violence and his former girlfriends have come out in support whereas Heard has a history of violence to a former girlfriend, to her friend and to her sister. She also admitted on tape to being violent and mocked him saying no-one would believe he was the victim of abuse.

She was only partially correct about the last. Lots of people do believe he was the only or primary victim of abuse. However, there is a set of people, usually feminists, who do behave as she predicted and overlook or make endless excuses for her known violence or claim that him trying to defend himself or reclaim his reputation is somehow 'triggering' for those of us who have been abused.

Perhaps it is for women who were beaten by men. As a woman who was beaten by another woman I have a very difference response to the case.

PlasticineMeg · 30/04/2022 09:50

I don't think they are. They're saying Heard's actions don't make much sense if you think of her as the victim of abuse.

its 2022 FFS, there is no right or wrong way to be a victim, everybody should know this!

PlasticineMeg · 30/04/2022 09:51

I don't know if Depp ever hit Heard. He may have done in retaliation

if you’re willing to believe this are you willing to believe that maybe she hithim in retaliation to something he started?

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