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AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..

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Cowslip4567 · 24/04/2022 20:04

People (from what I am reading in a variety of places on the internet) seem to have decided this even before the trial has been concluded. Presumably, we won't know all of the evidence until the trial ends.

The previous trial in the UK concluded that there was indeed evidence that JD was indeed a wife beater. How come everyone feels that they are sure previous trial had the wrong verdict?

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RoseslnTheHospital · 29/04/2022 16:47

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 16:42

This is an Amber Heard fan. It's bias. And is based on the UK judgement. Which is based mostly based on Amber's word...

Who is an Amber Heard fan? What is biased? Why do you think the UK court case was only based on Heard's witness testimony only?

Newrunner29 · 29/04/2022 16:52

ENoeuf · 29/04/2022 16:34

This is what I mean - you’ve picked this up somewhere and now repeat it as a truth.
the court of appeal rejected his application to appeal against the judgement. These documents are all linked up thread.

I looked back where I seen it and I read a article wrong so yes I was wrong on the appeal .
It is laughable that someone up thread explained people taking JD side as fans and paid members of public! Like normal everyday people couldn't come to same conclusion I have

StormzyinaTCup · 29/04/2022 16:53

Maybe that's because we haven't actually heard Amber Heard's side yet? It's hardly likely his team are going to bring in the evidence against him! And I have responded earlier with what I think is convincing evidence.

I'm very much aware of that, it might be the case that there is evidence and the picture will become clearer next week when she takes the stand. But her legal team have all over the place with their cross examination. Again maybe that will change next week.

Newrunner29 · 29/04/2022 16:53

RoseslnTheHospital · 29/04/2022 16:47

Who is an Amber Heard fan? What is biased? Why do you think the UK court case was only based on Heard's witness testimony only?

It explains the judge did in the report that I found online u can Google it I googled uk court case depp v heard

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 16:54

I read the judgement.
I said show me the evidence. You won't find any.
I'm not sure how seriously I can take a judge who said it would not be possible for her to throw her purse because she was in her pyjamas. Or a Redbull can because she doesn't drink Redbull.

The UK judge would not allow JD to compel her evidence as she was only a witness. He wouldn't allow expert testimony either.

When Heard tried to get the US case thrown out based on the UK judgement it was refused. The judge said JD wasn't given a full and fair trial.

AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain? ..
RoseslnTheHospital · 29/04/2022 16:57

@Newrunner29 nope, still don't know what @OnlyHippyInTheVillage was referring to.

ENoeuf · 29/04/2022 17:00

When Heard tried to get the US case thrown out based on the UK judgement it was refused. The judge said JD wasn't given a full and fair trial.

^^that is not what the extract means. The extract says that because AH was a witness and not a party (plaintiff or defendant) to the trial, her evidence wasn’t tested in the way it would be. So UK trial can’t be considered to have done what US trial will do. Not that he didn’t have a fair trial.

RoseslnTheHospital · 29/04/2022 17:02

@OnlyHippyInTheVillage did you read what you screenshot and posted here?

The US court isn't saying that the UK trial wasn't fair. They are saying that because Heard was simply a witness in the trial, not one of the named parties, not the defendant, that she wasn't putting a case across. Essentially the US court is, correctly, saying that the UK trial was between Depp and The Sun & Dan Wooton. Therefore the judgement isn't relevant to the US case, even if that were something they might allow. Which is correct and the US case should be a separate look at the case based on their laws and their legal processes.

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 17:02

I'm a DV survivor and I find the fact that Amber Heard is lying about being abused extremely triggering. She's no victim. Why on earth would she fight to be allowed every single day at a trial where she was only needed as a witness. There is not a chance I would have done that. I would have had a hard enough time going when I was needed.
Who would speak to their abuser the way she did on those tapes. Not anyone who feared for their life that's for sure.
She cried PTSD for her counter claim and it was proven that she extensively exaggerated. Funny how she had no PTSD before now.

Theunamedcat · 29/04/2022 17:08

Honestly I'm struggling to take her seriously they go on and on and on about muffins ask someone if they are correct witness replies no so they ask again again no on repeat they are objecting to questions they have asked ffs

It's painful to watch

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 17:11

Johnny Depp cares about his reputation because of his kids. That's his main reason for doing this. He wants to clear his name. That's the reason why he wanted it to be televised. So people will know the truth. Which Amber Heard argued against by the way. He has nothing to hide. He's always been honest and open about his drug and alcohol use as well. I don't think that should be used against him.

RoseslnTheHospital · 29/04/2022 17:11

The UK trial was about her and her relationship with Depp even though she was not the defendant. I can see why she'd want to be there to watch and listen to what was said about her in court. Judging people for their behaviour around a court case and whether or not you think it's appropriate isn't going to be accurate or helpful.

Another allegation which has been repeated as fact - the expert paid by Depp has said in court that in their opinion Heard exaggerated her PTSD symptoms. That's not the same as it being a proven fact that Heard does not have PTSD.

Aspiringmatriarch · 29/04/2022 17:19

@OnlyHippyInTheVillage did you read my posts about the incident on the plane? You had asked for evidence about Depp's abuse so I was responding to that.

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 17:28

They requested an IME because she was claiming ptsd. Are you saying that because he paid for an expert then it's not credible?
She also asked for Johnny to have one. Judge said no because he isn't claiming to have any psychological damage.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 29/04/2022 17:28

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 17:02

I'm a DV survivor and I find the fact that Amber Heard is lying about being abused extremely triggering. She's no victim. Why on earth would she fight to be allowed every single day at a trial where she was only needed as a witness. There is not a chance I would have done that. I would have had a hard enough time going when I was needed.
Who would speak to their abuser the way she did on those tapes. Not anyone who feared for their life that's for sure.
She cried PTSD for her counter claim and it was proven that she extensively exaggerated. Funny how she had no PTSD before now.

You see, this is the kind of attitude I don't understand. There is not one text-book set of behaviours exhibited by 'victims'. The idea that if you're a victim you're some shrinking wallflower of a person who sits and cries in a corner: no. It means you've been targeted and then subjected to circumstances which are beyond your control. (Unless, of course, you're taking the line that they asked for it).

The terrified, trembling image is a specific perception people expect to have of a victim, particularly one who has been subjected to trauma and/or happens to be female. On the contrary, victims can also be fighters; they can push back tooth and nail against those who are subjecting them to abuse; they can, on occasion, be abuser and victim at the same time. I would argue back against an abusive male - in what circumstances I'd prefer not to say - over and over again, although I knew fine well he would snap and if he couldn't best me with his vicious tongue he would do it with his fists - purely because I wasn't going to show that bastard that in reality I was terrified of him. I wasn't about to give him that kind of satisfaction. Very likely, certain people with no insight into this predicament would say I was asking for it.

There might be a textbook response to trauma (PTSD/cPTSD); there is not one given set of behavioural characteristics victims display. That's the attitude that undid Joanne Lees, who didn't behave as a victim of a terrifying crime 'should' and because of that, found herself all-but accused of her partner's murder. Lindy Chamberlain served time for murdering her own daughter, because she didn't behave sufficiently like the victim of circumstance she was later proven to be.

It's women who tend to be at the butt of this misconception, and a lot of the accusatory, ignorant BS stated about them happens because of the media.

This isn't necessarily to say that Depp should be discounted as a victim also. But it's clear from the evidence that Amber Heard was.

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 17:35

This is all based on her word. Not evidence. Where are the photographs? The witnesses? She might have gotten away with it in the UK with all of her testimony being believed. The hearsay rule in Virginia will be difficult for her considering all her witnesses have to go on is Amber told me so. And I suspect she is talking about him falling off the wagon. Not abusing her.

RoseslnTheHospital · 29/04/2022 17:39

Why do you think the UK trial only heard witness evidence from Heard, and not texts, emails, videos, photos, other peoples testimony? Of course the judge saw all that evidence. I don't know why you think they didn't.

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 17:46

I have ptsd myself, I know that it's not always textbook. I just find it very hard to believe that someone would do that. Especially if she was in fear for her life. I'm still waiting on her evidence. Her lawyer said she had "voluminous evidence". So far we've had drugs, alcohol, texts so many pointless texts, muffins, make up, and to come will be photos which have no metadata and a lot of fake bruises. And probably whichever SA allegations she decides to add on at the last minute again.

Aspiringmatriarch · 29/04/2022 17:48

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 17:35

This is all based on her word. Not evidence. Where are the photographs? The witnesses? She might have gotten away with it in the UK with all of her testimony being believed. The hearsay rule in Virginia will be difficult for her considering all her witnesses have to go on is Amber told me so. And I suspect she is talking about him falling off the wagon. Not abusing her.

The witness to the event was Stephen Deuters. The texts are between him and Amber and he literally says "WHEN I TOLD HIM HE KICKED YOU, HE CRIED".

OnlyHippyInTheVillage · 29/04/2022 17:51

He wouldn't allow JD to submit any of his evidence in. And her team delayed and took their time so much, some of the things JD needed (like the op ed emails and charity donations), he didn't get until after the trial.
Justice Nichols said in the 129 page judgement that her donating $7 million to charity is hardly the act of a golddigger. Well he was wrong there. And it meant she perjured herself on the stand.
If she is willing to lie about that, what makes you think she wouldn't lie about anything else.

RoseslnTheHospital · 29/04/2022 17:55

Did you read @Aspiringmatriarch 's post? Even if the judge ignored all Heard's testimony, there is enough evidence to show that The Sun's description of Depp as a wife beater was not libellous. That's why the appeal was turned down. Even if they had another trial that included all those elements you mention, the outcome would be the same.

Aspiringmatriarch · 29/04/2022 17:56

Where are the photographs? The witnesses?

So far we've had drugs, alcohol, texts so many pointless texts, muffins, make up, and to come will be photos which have no metadata and a lot of fake bruises

So first it's there's no evidence, then it's the evidence is pointless and fake. And I'm guessing you will ignore the witness I mentioned as well. Cool.

ENoeuf · 29/04/2022 17:57

@OnlyHippyInTheVillage

pp13-14 it wouldn’t have made a difference, the court of appeal ruled it didn’t materially affect the original judgement

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Depp-approved-for-hand-down.pdf

ENoeuf · 29/04/2022 18:01

It just proves my point about social media though: people repeat any old shit, don’t fact check, ignore sources given to them. JD is winning in public, I’m assuming the judge is slightly more careful 😂

ENoeuf · 29/04/2022 18:03

I think I’m so enraged by it because my ex is a charming popular type, lots of social friends, and if we both pitched our version of the marriage he would ‘win’.

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