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‘I dont know if I want to see you again’

496 replies

Monstera1111 · 23/04/2022 09:17

I went on a first date last night - after about 2/3 weeks of endless messaging backwards and forwards (I know). - using dating apps, both in 30s.

he ended up staying over after a couple of drinks in bar (I know) and we had sex (I know). He was getting ready for work this morning and I said are you wanting to do something again? He was like ‘i dont know’ - I laughed and said ‘so thats a no then’ and he went silent.

i just assume he was looking for sex / I wasnt what he thought in the end but was too polite to say. Aibu?

just leaving it now - I like the mumsnet advice of block and delete and I might do that here tbh. He knew full well I was looking for a long term thing and would not have had sex if it was just casual. So annoying!!!!!!

OP posts:
Knifer · 25/04/2022 07:12

Ugh, the instant gratification culture.

I blame Amazon prime. Well, not totally. But the culture of Prime, takeaways, instant access porn, 24/7 niche chat rooms, discord, dark web, streaming services..... it's certainly taught a generation that they can have what they want within a few short hours at most and it's demonstrated to generations who grew up having to wait for everything that this is no longer necessary.

Giraffesandbottom · 25/04/2022 09:57

@Knifer

men were looking for instant sex well before Amazon Prime 😃 that’s why, in the times before women were “allowed” one night stands, prostitutes were readily available. This is nothing new.

Indicatrice · 25/04/2022 10:16

Giraffesandbottom · 25/04/2022 06:34

This thread is fucking mental. I appreciate you had a disappointment and felt rejected, but it’s not reasonable for this thread to have escalated to him being supposed a “pornsick fuck”, compared to a rapist, called a gaslighter (for what?! Trying to extricate himself politely having changed his mind about you?) and all manner of things.

I think you sound extremely immature. OLD is hard, I’ve seen my friends go through it and it’s unpleasant. It’s fine to admit you liked him and this hurt you. The crazy anger, supposition and escalation about this man is not healthy.

He tried to choke her without consent. Stop excusing male aggression.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 25/04/2022 10:19

Giraffesandbottom · 25/04/2022 06:34

This thread is fucking mental. I appreciate you had a disappointment and felt rejected, but it’s not reasonable for this thread to have escalated to him being supposed a “pornsick fuck”, compared to a rapist, called a gaslighter (for what?! Trying to extricate himself politely having changed his mind about you?) and all manner of things.

I think you sound extremely immature. OLD is hard, I’ve seen my friends go through it and it’s unpleasant. It’s fine to admit you liked him and this hurt you. The crazy anger, supposition and escalation about this man is not healthy.

I think you missed the bit where he choked her during sex without her consent then told her all women like it?

Giraffesandbottom · 25/04/2022 10:21

@Indicatrice

everyone has different sexual bars for what they think is fine or not. This has happened to me before too (during kissing, not sex) - I just said “I don’t like that, stop”. He stopped. No harm done. Maybe he thought she would like it? There are plenty of things I have done in the heat of the moment eg lip biting that I have not asking consent for

im sceptical anyway because the choking came out a fair bit later in the thread and I don’t think this thread is about that, I think OP just feels upset and rejected and is now turning the guy in question into the devil to feel better.

Giraffesandbottom · 25/04/2022 10:22

think you missed the bit where he choked her during sex without her consent then told her all women like it?

Maybe all women he did it with previously said they liked it? Bit like how my ex thought all women orgasm through sex

youvegottenminuteslynn · 25/04/2022 10:31

Giraffesandbottom · 25/04/2022 10:22

think you missed the bit where he choked her during sex without her consent then told her all women like it?

Maybe all women he did it with previously said they liked it? Bit like how my ex thought all women orgasm through sex

I'm not sure there's much more anyone can say to explain to you how fucked up it is to choke someone during sex without their consent.

The fact you would be ok with it personally doesn't mean it's an acceptable thing for men to do without knowing whether the woman they're doing it to is ok with it or not.

DixonD · 25/04/2022 10:33

sansucre · 23/04/2022 10:32

What a load of rubbish, and besides, even if OP had made her date wait until their 10th date to have sex, he could still have dumped her the next day.

But if he is simply after sex, he wouldn’t wait ten dates for it. That’s the point. Interest wanes quickly when they’re only there for one thing.

He decided you weren’t for him. If you had decided he wasn’t for you, OP, would you think it was justified to vilify you for it? Don’t report him for not fancying you.

Giraffesandbottom · 25/04/2022 10:40

The fact you would be ok with it personally doesn't mean it's an acceptable thing for men to do without knowing whether the woman they're doing it to is ok with it or not

if you read my previous comment I wouldn’t be ok with it - someone tried this during kissing and I simply said no and then he stopped and that was it. It doesn’t make someone a rapist. It’s poor judgement yes. Rapist? No.

DixonD · 25/04/2022 10:41

Monstera1111 · 23/04/2022 10:57

I agree

No they wouldn’t waste their time (I know some serial shaggers - not intimately, I hasten to add).

This is used an an excuse to justify sleeping with someone on the first date, by women, because they’re ashamed of it.

Just own it. If you want sex, have it, but don’t get upset when they decide you’re not what their after. Unfortunately, the aforementioned serial shaggers would never have taken a first date sex encounter home to their parents at any point.

Giraffesandbottom · 25/04/2022 10:43

*No they wouldn’t waste their time (I know some serial shaggers - not intimately, I hasten to add).

This is used an an excuse to justify sleeping with someone on the first date, by women, because they’re ashamed of it.

Just own it. If you want sex, have it, but don’t get upset when they decide you’re not what their after. Unfortunately, the aforementioned serial shaggers would never have taken a first date sex encounter home to their parents at any point*

agree

Drlove · 25/04/2022 10:47

I have been watching this thread over the weekend with interest. Even my Mum and Sisters have been involved!

Being a woman of a similar age and seeing friends having horrific expierences through dating apps - I do have a slightly biased view - as my friends are all sane, professional and rational woman who have been in scarily similar situations. I also coincedentally listening to lalalaletmeexplain’s book over the weekend.

I think what has happened here is that the OP has learned a lesson many of my friends and I have had to learn the hard way - it appear too good to be true and he burst her bubble the morning after sex. It is not right and there has been some deception from his end - its a tale as old as time and plenty of these users around - thankfully they do tend to collect themselves on dating apps, love bomb and promise long term relationships, only to conviently change their mind once they have had sex. She had every right to be upset and disappointed - that was a normal
response to a guy pretending to be very invested in her over a few weeks only to totally change his attitude after sex.

I think over the course of the day she then realised the date and sex were not what it seemed - and him not wanted to see her again was a blessing in disguise. She described the sex as OK and then remembered about the choking. She then went onto be upset that night and read a bit about a situation she had never been in before - which given the turn of the culture and access to porn is probably quite good for her to educate herself.

If my sister, close friend or daughter had messaged me to say they went on a first date - regardless of how it ended - if he did not want to see her again and turned out to be a pig - and they told me he had choked her and then told her all woman like it - I would be utterly horrified and never want her near him again. Especially if she was someone who had no idea what choking was and had never expierenced this before.

I read the website she posted with interest.

He is a pig and was giving off red flags left right and centre in my mind. However, many woman fall for these users and there is a huge element of victim blaming in this sub.
Some users quick to point out they slept with their now husbands on the first date, whilst others shaming her for expecting any different and that even that she has to be the issue if she is ghosted after sex.

Speak to any single woman in their 30s who have used dating apps and I guarentee a huge proportion of them have had this exact copy and paste situation. My Sister works with very attractive and sucessful woman in their 30s who all had similar expierences to the one OP posted about - numerous times and no matter how hard they vetted these Men the outcome was similar. One of them was sexually assualted by a guy she had been on a couple of dates with wrote the whole dating app culture off. Two of them went onto be single mothers by choice at the age of 35 as they just could not deal with this cycle.

I do think the OP can learn from this - but also I think we are dealing with a much larger issue at hand with the quality of Men and how they treat woman.

I have met some lovely Men and have had the luxury of having some very nice long term partners - this was just luck on my end. Nothing magical about my vagina or my character, how long I waited to sleep with them - it was the fact THEY were nice men with integrity. My partnered friends are all in a similar mindset - when they see their gorgeous, talented, loving friend be treated like a mug and a piece of meat from yet another user from a dating app.

femaledatingstrategy has some very good advice and this guy would have been blocked if she had followed their advice.

Indicatrice · 25/04/2022 11:23

Giraffesandbottom · 25/04/2022 10:21

@Indicatrice

everyone has different sexual bars for what they think is fine or not. This has happened to me before too (during kissing, not sex) - I just said “I don’t like that, stop”. He stopped. No harm done. Maybe he thought she would like it? There are plenty of things I have done in the heat of the moment eg lip biting that I have not asking consent for

im sceptical anyway because the choking came out a fair bit later in the thread and I don’t think this thread is about that, I think OP just feels upset and rejected and is now turning the guy in question into the devil to feel better.

Funny how his sexual bar insults choking women (without their prior consent) and not asking them to choke him first.

You need a higher bar yourself Giraffe, you're very gullible about men.

Indicatrice · 25/04/2022 11:23

*involves not insults

WaiveringKate · 25/04/2022 13:15

@Drlove well said. 👏

SexyPortugese · 25/04/2022 14:16

Gosh, take some responsibility! He doesn't owe you anything just because you want a relationship, you had sex with him because you wanted to have sex with him, and clearly by doing so on the first meet it wasn't something where you were super cautious about waiting to make sure he wanted something serious before sleeping together. Absolutely nothing wrong with two consenting adults having sex on the first meet up, but to get arsey with him after because he wasn't up for more is really bad and smacks of a hurt ego.

Who's to say he faked anything? Even if he had told you he was looking for something serious that doesn't mean it is guaranteed to be with you, you'd never even met during the two week talking period! Haven't you ever gotten carried away and slept with someone you're not really into long term/romantically? I assure you most people have lol. Sex isn't this sacred thing kept for a loving lasting relationship to everyone, sometimes it's just because it's enjoyable and feels good. Own it!

SexyPortugese · 25/04/2022 14:18

Also, FemaleDatingStrategy are the female equivalent of incels. A terrifying echo chamber. They have a few good points about how to conduct yourself if you're looking for something serious but take the rest with a huuuuuge pinch of salt.

Drlove · 25/04/2022 14:27

SexyPortugese · 25/04/2022 14:18

Also, FemaleDatingStrategy are the female equivalent of incels. A terrifying echo chamber. They have a few good points about how to conduct yourself if you're looking for something serious but take the rest with a huuuuuge pinch of salt.

Incels stands ‘involuntary celibate’ Men

female dating strategy is about arming yourself with the knowledge of the current culture of dating to avoid this exact type of situation OP has found herself in and been upset about.

This woman had sex last week and cleary from looking at how many guys she had dated she is not struggiling for sexual options. She is not a female incel clearly.

Giraffesandbottom · 25/04/2022 14:29

@Indicatrice

i don’t need a higher bar - I’m married to a really wonderful man. I just don’t think it’s acceptable for someone to have sex, clearly plan to see them again and then start trying to act like it wasn’t ok when they get rejected.

SexyPortugese · 25/04/2022 14:54

Perhaps I wasn't clear, I never said or suggested OP was an incel. I was commenting on the suggestion upthread that OP go to FDS.

tomatoandherbs · 25/04/2022 14:56

I continue to be baffled by the fact that the Op thought the date was “ok”, thought these was “ok”…. So clearly underwhelmed

yet she seems to have had an overwhelmingly desire to enter a LTR with him.

With someone that she thought, on their very first date, was “ok”

tomatoandherbs · 25/04/2022 14:59

The OP’s desire was for a LTR

The date expressed his desire for a LTR

if you express a desire, does that mean that you are essentially writing it in blood and he MUST live up to his profile preference for a LTR?

tomatoandherbs · 25/04/2022 15:06

On my OLD profile I expressed a desire to meet someone who enjoyed going to the cinema.

if I turned up and by the end of the evening when I asked if he’d like to come to the cinema with me and he said, I still like the cinema but I don’t think I’d enjoy going with you

does that mean he’s committed some terrible OLD crime?

just being being honest that YES he likes the going to the cinema but NO he doesn’t want to go with me!!

Drlove · 25/04/2022 15:35

tomatoandherbs · 25/04/2022 14:56

I continue to be baffled by the fact that the Op thought the date was “ok”, thought these was “ok”…. So clearly underwhelmed

yet she seems to have had an overwhelmingly desire to enter a LTR with him.

With someone that she thought, on their very first date, was “ok”

It is true - OP did not seem that bothered by the date or sex

Drlove · 25/04/2022 15:36

tomatoandherbs · 25/04/2022 15:06

On my OLD profile I expressed a desire to meet someone who enjoyed going to the cinema.

if I turned up and by the end of the evening when I asked if he’d like to come to the cinema with me and he said, I still like the cinema but I don’t think I’d enjoy going with you

does that mean he’s committed some terrible OLD crime?

just being being honest that YES he likes the going to the cinema but NO he doesn’t want to go with me!!

I think she just felt taken advantage of because sex is a bit different from the cinema. Especially twice and especially with the choking situation.

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