To think 8am to 6pm at nursery/school+wraparound is just too much

[magicsoosh]

Apparently Mon-Fri 8am to 6pm childcare is normal.. AIBU to think that's a lot? That's more hours than most full time jobs

@echt where?

[quote FairyCatMother]@Waxonwaxoff0 Such a valuable contribution to this discussion. The great one has spoken!

@luxxlisbon if slaving away for a corporation that will dispose of and forget you eventually, whilst your children are looked after/raised by others for 10+ hours a day is regarded as a ‘choice’, then I will advise my daughters to do all they can to reject this ‘choice’.[/quote]
Well if we had stuck to your version of the ideal marriage than we'd be surviving on £22k a year and universal credit with either no sex life or a gaggle of children underfoot stuffed into any spare space we could find in our rented home.

As it is me having a career means we are able to own our own home, we have been able to select to only have one child, we have enough money in the bank to be able to weather the current economic shit and will have money set aside to support DD through uni or with a house deposit, whichever is needed at the time.

Your choices wouldn't suit me and I cannot fathom the way your mind works, I'm sure the same is true in reverse.

[quote sweetbambi]@LeastofLeicester it is still an important discussion to be hand and if children really would benefit from shorter hours we need to have these discussions so that more can be done to facilitate this. this could range from pay rises, to more financial support for families or to encourage more employers to make their work hours more flexible for both parents. also to maybe have more of a discussion if we should do more to encourage both parents to have a healthier work balance that takes family life into account[/quote]
What about single parents?

@Organictangerine

But the title isn’t ‘those awful parents who shove their kids in childcare should take them out immediately’. It’s reflecting on whether it’s good for the children or not.

If it wasn't purely a goady thread, the OP would have actually bothered to come back properly and interact with other posters view points.

@AchillesPoirot all parents should get more support but especially single ones. I was raised by a single mum. I was lucky enough that the first divorce with my dad when she was forced into employment to prove she is remaining in the country she managed to find a very small private nursery that had only 7 children in total and that was willing to let me start 6 months early

a school friend was not as lucky and her mum was constantly worried about the after school care as she knew it was not ideal but was left with no choice

we should support all parents to be able have a work schedule that is compatible with family life

She’s probably not interacting because of the pile on calling her ‘goady’

Of course it's goady!!

If she had posted that she was worried about putting her child in nursery/childcare for those hours that would have had a different response.

Why do people engage on these posts? Clearly a wind up

I was a manager of a before/after school club. Our whole ethos was about making it as homely, but fun and challenging as possible. We recognised that some children want to slump in front of tv, an Xbox etc, some want to play outside, some relax being creative. Children had a good snack on arrival and then it was their time to do as they wanted. We had a huge waiting list as a lot of children who's parents didn't need us nagged their parents to let them come. Equally many parents couldn't drag their children away when collecting them. Our children experienced lots of activities that they wouldn't have done at home. Many children were there from 7.30 in the morning and not collected until 5.30 but it's a play environment before/after school with lots of cosy corners to relax.

@Organictangerine

She’s probably not interacting because of the pile on calling her ‘goady’

Pile on?

Why is called that when posters disagree with a thread with provocative title, an unargued assertion and no engagement?

Well why is it called ‘goady’ when an OP asks a fairly reasonable question that happens to hit a nerve?

They're not really asking a question though are they? It's a clear judgement on people who use childcare while working full time.
No attempt to engage in a discussion just a provocative title followed by a couple of posts that clearly state how they think it's wrong.

I couldn't care less as I'm comfortable with the decisions we made for our family but it's a shitty thing to post and could make someone feel crap about their situation.

@brookstar

What roles do you think women are less suited for than men?

This has been asked a few times but they're avoiding the question..... I'm not sure I want to hear the answer given the other deeply troubling views expressed.

Being a penis model is difficult for most women.

(Shamelessly stolen from Friends!)

mickarooni 😂😂 brilliant

You're getting a lot of stock but honestly you're right, op. And I've heard nursery nurses say it's too long too. But at the same time, working parents have no other options. So I don't see what else can be done.

@Organictangerine

Well why is it called ‘goady’ when an OP asks a fairly reasonable question that happens to hit a nerve?

It’s newbie/name changer. It wasn’t a discussion or debate, it was a few one liners posted at night when there’s less moderation - the classic goady poster method.

I’ve been in the very privileged position of being able to afford to work part time and have access to family childcare when mine were younger. However, my preference would be for any child of mine to be in childcare setting for 23 hours a day over being with an anti-abortion aka forced birth/gestational slavery, sexist, homophobic and judgemental stay at home mother.

Oh let them judge away!

My mum was a SAHM - last thing I wanted to be as a result.

I'm setting an example for my 2 DD to follow; earn your own money, buy your own things, dance to your own tune. Need to rely on no one but yourself.

Full time childcare makes this possible. Being stuck at home earning zero and bored out of your mind does not.

@codeVeronica

With attitudes like yours, I sincerely hope you don’t have any children, and if you do then more pity them. I’m not sure I would like to grow up believing myself to be if secondary importance to my mother’s career!

@FairyCatMother
You think I shouldn't have children because I think men and women should be equal in both the home and the workplace?

Kindly fuck off back to the 1800s.

She's already there.

I don't think Monday to Friday 8-6 is the norm actually: most children in my kids' nursery go part time. It's the same with colleagues and friends.

It's the norm that grandparents do a day or two if childcare a week, and/or parents work reduced/compressed hours, which necessitate 2-4 days a week only at nursery. It's very rare actually to have an under 2 in nursery full time in my experience, not least because the cost is usually prohibitive!

Yanbu. British kids have the worst mental health in Europe and this is part of why 😭

@Meadmaiden

That’s really interesting as it’s completely the opposite here. Everyone at the nursery is full time (under 2), and all my friends and colleagues are. I don’t know anyone who does part time?

@Neverreturntoathread

Yanbu. British kids have the worst mental health in Europe and this is part of why 😭

Really? Because Scandinavian countries have much higher preschool enrollment than the UK, and better childhood outcomes.

eacea.ec.europa.eu/national-policies/eurydice/content/early-childhood-education-and-care-80_en

[quote Qwill]@Meadmaiden

That’s really interesting as it’s completely the opposite here. Everyone at the nursery is full time (under 2), and all my friends and colleagues are. I don’t know anyone who does part time?[/quote]
Where is this? Are you perhaps in an area with relatively affordable childcare? I'm in London and cost is prohibitive to most. Flexible working is also very much the norm: few mums work 5 days a week.

My granddaughter is at nursery 9-6 Five days a week and absolutely thrives ,