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To think if you vote Tory now…

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Joanna1988124 · 12/04/2022 21:48

You’re effectively propping up this absolute shit show of a government and have no empathy.

I’ll be honest, I’ve voted conservative before as a middle class family their (taxation) policies have suited me more than Labour. I honestly feel ashamed of this and I wish I could’ve seen that the conservatives agenda of ‘levelling up’ is BS.

Regardless of your personal situation, enough is enough now right? People are reliant on food banks, they’re choosing between heating and eating. Austerity has been a total nightmare for society causing the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer.

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lifeturnsonadime · 12/04/2022 23:12

@JC544D

Never mind a capable alternative, the Conservative party putting together a capable government after 12 years in power would be nice.
I know why you are angry with the Conservatives. I am for the same reasons.

What I am doing is lobbying the Labour Party about it's failures to address genuine concerns of potential voters.

I have never voted conservative in my life. But I can't bring myself to vote for a Labour Party that will put vulnerable women at risk by introducing Self ID.

I also cannot believe that the Labour Party is any more capable of telling the truth than the conservatives when they claim that they don't know that women don't have penises. It's absurd. Almost like they don't want to win. And perhaps they don't , who would want to be pick up control of the country. during a post pandemic, mid war cost of living crisis.

ilovesooty · 12/04/2022 23:13

@JC544D

Johnson and Sunak, the country’s two most senior politicians, broke the very laws they set.
Exactly.

Johnson is the first British PM to be sanctioned for breaking the law.

I'd hope that would matter to people, but it seems that many have the same moral compass as Johnson - none.

lifeturnsonadime · 12/04/2022 23:16

[quote BitOutOfPractice]@lifeturnsonadime all of the people who “don’t know what a woman is” are doing so right now, under a Tory government.[/quote]
Yes I've heard this said.

The thing is Stonewall have been allowed by a Tory Government to erroneously state the law. That's bad.

But Under the Labour Party Stonewall law will become the law.

The Prime MInister made it clear last week that he was following the Equality Act approach and helpfully stated that women are not people with penises.

Under the Conservatives the Stonewall approach can be retracted.

Under the Labour Party it will be entrenched.

Once Self ID is introduced it will be like Brexit impossible to retract.

I just can't throw women under the bus and support the Labour Party whilst it is hell bent on destroying women's rights.

ilovesooty · 12/04/2022 23:17

It would also seem that a lot of people don't care about the PM and the Chancellor lying to Parliament either.

QueenOfHiraeth · 12/04/2022 23:17

Looking down at those who vote Tory only works if there is a decent alternative. Currently there isn't.

FOJN · 12/04/2022 23:18

And to say Johnson and the Tories are defenders of women’s rights is frankly laughable.

I agree with a PP, no one could credibly claim the conservatives "stand" for women's rights but they are actually defending them at last. Senior Tories have made several comments in recent weeks about what a woman is, the need for single sex spaces and protecting women's sport. The most important one of those is using biology to define what a woman is. If you can't define women, you can't protect their rights. In the last week the EHRC has published guidance on provision of single sex services to remind everyone what the Equality Act says. Single sex spaces and services are lawful.

Labour will not commit to defining what a woman is.

lifeturnsonadime · 12/04/2022 23:19

I'd hope that would matter to people, but it seems that many have the same moral compass as Johnson - none.

And what about the moral compass of Lisa Nandy who thinks it's fine to lock male rapists who identify as trans in the female prison estate?

Where is her moral compass?

Where is yours if you can vote for a party that will enable the abuse of incarcerated women contrary to the Geneva Convention on Human Rights?

BulletTrain · 12/04/2022 23:21

I don't vote Conservative. I don't generally vote Labour either. My MP is neither and I'm in England. Nobody is forcing you to pick one.

mrshoho · 12/04/2022 23:22

A long list of one disaster after another.

Self entitlement - Rules are for the little people
Greed
Fraud and shady dealing lining the pockets of their mates.
The shocking management of the NHS
The sorry state of our state education system
Serving MP found guilty of child abuse. His fellow MP raging about the injustice of the verdict instead of acknowledging the vile crime.
The growing poverty divide

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/04/2022 23:22

My family are all die hard labour, I work in a role where I see the impact of austerity. I wouldn't vote labour at the next election. I care about my sex based rights. It's not transphobic to want biological women only in women prisons ect ect.

How many biological males were in women's prisons when Labour left power? How many are there now? The Conservatives are responsible for the Self ID shitshow. The Conservatives brought you Britain's first trans MP. Just yesterday Crispin Blunt, Conservative MP criticised the Court Service after Imran Khan, former Conservative MP, was found guilty of molesting a teenage boy.

You're being played like a fiddle if you think they give a flying fuck about protecting women and children. Oh, and PM Johnson has only recently decided he knows what a woman is. He has previously refused to say that only women have a cervix.

Siameasy · 12/04/2022 23:25

Still not voting Labour though

lifeturnsonadime · 12/04/2022 23:25

@mrshoho

A long list of one disaster after another.

Self entitlement - Rules are for the little people
Greed
Fraud and shady dealing lining the pockets of their mates.
The shocking management of the NHS
The sorry state of our state education system
Serving MP found guilty of child abuse. His fellow MP raging about the injustice of the verdict instead of acknowledging the vile crime.
The growing poverty divide

Which is why it is absolutely shocking that the labour party is more concerned with appeasing men who think that they are women than actually doing right by our country.
CapMarvel · 12/04/2022 23:26

@QueenOfHiraeth

Looking down at those who vote Tory only works if there is a decent alternative. Currently there isn't.
Not true at all.
TooBigForMyBoots · 12/04/2022 23:26

Senior Tories have made several comments in recent weeks about what a woman is, the need for single sex spaces and protecting women's sport.

What makes you think they're telling the truth this time @FOJN?Confused

lifeturnsonadime · 12/04/2022 23:27

@TooBigForMyBoots

Senior Tories have made several comments in recent weeks about what a woman is, the need for single sex spaces and protecting women's sport.

What makes you think they're telling the truth this time @FOJN?Confused

Errrrr because it is the truth!
StepAwayFromGoogling · 12/04/2022 23:28

FFS, they're all as bad as each other. If labour were in power they'd be fucking us all over too. I'm so sick of this sanctimonious shit. You're not better than anyone else because you didn't vote Conservative. Bore off.

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 12/04/2022 23:29

"At least the Tories know what a woman is". Crispin Blunt, anyone? Alicia Kearns?

mrshoho · 12/04/2022 23:33

I know @lifeturnsonadime what a sorry state of affairs.

Narcoanonymoose · 12/04/2022 23:33

Oh yeah the pile on by m/c lefty feminists in their little bubble. Not a shit given about how poor w/c women have suffered under tory policies...

lifeturnsonadime · 12/04/2022 23:33

@pucelleauxblanchesmains

"At least the Tories know what a woman is". Crispin Blunt, anyone? Alicia Kearns?
So you don't think that the Prime Minister speaking out is more important that Crispin Blunt? who has today had to retract his vile words of yesterday and resign from his role as chair on the LGBTQ+ Group and I've just had to google Alicia Kerns.
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DragonOverTheMoon · 12/04/2022 23:34

Labour should be such a credible opposition right now. The torys have fucked up so many times. But they're not. They squabble amongst themselves, they can't agree on what a woman is - pathetic imo. I really liked Lammy before he basically said any women who cares about their sex based rights are like racists. They like to portray that they're etter than the tories but they're not. They behaved, as a party, awful to Jeremy Corbyn. It wasn't just the press that screwed him over. I really dislike Jess Phillips who says what she thinks people will like her for saying and is pretty cowardly imo.

If Gordon Brown came back I'd vote for him. I really liked his work as the chancellor and then as PM. But again party squabbling came down around him. Pathetic that the very people that run the country squabble and tell tales like little children.

duvetdrama · 12/04/2022 23:35

@QueenOfHiraeth

Looking down at those who vote Tory only works if there is a decent alternative. Currently there isn't.
That makes no sense at all...
BeenToldComputerSaysNo · 12/04/2022 23:37

This government are the worst I've seen in my lifetime - the continual lying, corruption, total inability to take accountability for anything, the division. Self serving lot, who don't give a shit what state they will leave the country in.

lifeturnsonadime · 12/04/2022 23:37

Not a shit given about how poor w/c women have suffered under tory policies...

You see this is where you have me wrong.

I am a lefty woman. Traditional Labour voter. I have children who receive disability benefits who can't be in mainstream school.

My daughter is autistic and doesn't conform with gender stereotypes.

Even though the Conservative Government means she is less well off she's not at nearly as much risk as under the Labour Government which is pro mutilation of non gender conforming children. The majoirty of whom have been identified by the Cass report as being autistic girls.

So which is the most evil? The one that cuts financial benefits or the one that would cut off breasts and make her infertile?