To end a friendship due to his use of sex workers?

[Cornishjam1162]

It has recently come to light that a friend of 15 years is a regular customer of sex workers. We have always wondered why he never wanted to date again after getting a divorce and now it makes sense. I would have never had him down as the type and I'm shocked to say the least. I don't know the circumstances behind why the women do that line of work but there's always the risk that they're not doing it out of their own free will isn't there? I feel like he could well be exploiting vulnerable women.

Would you end a friendship over this? Am I being too judgemental?

KettrickenSmiled · 19/05/2022 10:55

"OK dude. You know me better than I know myself"

I know you are a moral coward and won't admit the truth certainly.

"It's not weird At ALL that you loathe feminists but support MRA."

Have you actually read through what I have written? On several posts on this thread I have stated very clearly that I view MRAs as the male version of feminists, silly, whiny and annoying but who, like feminists, occasionally make some good points.

Also pointing out your double standards when it comes to sexual exploitation isn't the sole province of any one ideology or movement. Basic logic and a lack of bias will allow anyone to do the same.

"We're done. Don't tag me again."

I don't take kindly to orders. I'll respond to anything you write if I choose to. I don't need your permission. It's a public forum. Respond or don't respond. I really don't care. People like you are legion.

It's funny that people always run away when they can't answer difficult questions and do so in such a pompous, overly dramatic way. You know I am pointing out the reality of your double standards and hypocrisy as well the unbridgeable divide within feminism but cannot bring yourself to admit any of this.

"You'll find plenty of like minded individuals on various red pill sites to prop up your asinine views on the sex industry."

I'm not sure that's true. Quite a lot of the manosphere is anti-porn and against sex industry and female sex workers in particular. I'm most likely to find support from my 'asinine' views on the sex industry on feminist websites, just not 'swerf' ones like Mumsnet.

@JayniSummers thank you for posting that link.
That is one of the most disgusting, depressing & vile things I've ever read.
Who the fuck do those 'men' think they are rating those women like they're a chip shop or theme park 😡
I genuinely hope they get knob rot.
I would not knowingly be friends with anyone who bought a womans/mans/child's body. They are beyond forgiveness.
Unless you personally know the person who is selling sex, every single detail about their whole life, you will never know why they are doing it.

"We're done. Don't tag me again."

I don't take kindly to orders. I'll respond to anything you write if I choose to. I don't need your permission. It's a public forum. Respond or don't respond. I really don't care.

Yes, every angry word you write is just highlighting what we already know - you have issues with other people's consent.
Hence your refusal to believe evidence - even from sex workers themselves - that abuse & coercion is rife thoughout the industry.

I know you are a moral coward and won't admit the truth certainly.
Sure you do dude ... {backs away slowly} ...
Here's the thing though. Your fulminating is so confusing I can't be quite sure what "truth" you are referring to. That I'm a coward? That you don't understand how to respect another person's "no"? That I don't know what a lesbian is, or what additional issues she faces cf: her het sisters? That All Feminists Are Bad & Wrong And At War?

So much nonsense to choose from I can only humbly apologise for not knowing which bit to pick. There's really no need to respond to me further, it's not doing your blood pressure any good dear.

I detailed rebuttal of misssatan points would help boost your arguments and perspective. It's like your stood in an Oxford tutorial, say some generalised paragraphs, but then don't back up your perspectives with a lot of detail to confirm your perspectives, and then when called out on your perspectives and analysis, instead you just floundering, and spouting generalised words rather than engage in a constructive manner.

I'm not sure that's true. Quite a lot of the manosphere is anti-porn and against sex industry and female sex workers in particular.
Hahaha nice one

Quite a lot of the manosphere hate all women, so hating female prostitutes says nothing

Quite a lot of the manosphere subscribe to the idea that men who women won't sleep with voluntarily, have a "right" to sex and so are perfectly entitled to rape women/pay for sex

Quite a lot of the manosphere think the government should make "marriage" aka sexual slavery compulsory

I mean, I think kettricken (fabulous name BTW, my favourite books) has a good point thar your views on consent line up quite well with the manosphere

And then storming out while screaming "don't ever talk to me again!" and slamming the door

That's very true,

Do you have detailed examples to provide a detailed analysis of point by point ?

Read the book "men who hate women" Hawkins. Laura Bates has done all the work for you

KettrickenSmiled · 19/05/2022 14:03

"Yes, every angry word you write is just highlighting what we already know - you have issues with other people's consent."

This is a perfect illustration of why most women distance themselves from feminism. Because I dared criticise you on a public forum you accuse me of being a rapist. This is the epitome of the hysteria I mentioned earlier.

In reality you found it hard to argue your case and rather than lose face flounced off determined to have the last word and you're furious that I didn't play along which is why you came back despite your earlier declaration of wanting nothing more to do with me. You just couldn't help yourself.

Let me make this crystal clear. I don't need your consent to disagree with you or criticise your opinions or behaviour. You have not been violated in any way even though you find it intolerable.

"Hence your refusal to believe evidence - even from sex workers themselves - that abuse & coercion is rife thoughout the industry."

On the contrary, unlike you I actually do listen to what sex workers say themselves and not those determined to speak over them while claiming to speak for them.

"Here's the thing though. Your fulminating is so confusing I can't be quite sure what "truth" you are referring to."

In that case I was trying to get you to admit that feminism is divided between two mutually exclusive camps, particularly focused on the issues of sex work and the trans issue.

"There's really no need to respond to me further, it's not doing your blood pressure any good dear."

You are projecting your own fury onto me. I'm not the one getting my knickers in a twist and trying to restrict who can and can't speak to me.

I've dealt with hundreds of people like you, very dogmatic people who can't argue their case and try to dictate to others and call them names and deliberately misrepresent them. It's water off a duck's back by this point.

My advice to you is get better at debating or get some more easily defended positions.

Well hello again @Hawkins001 . Nice sealioning!
But, as everybody with a grasp on reality knows, we're not actually in a tutorial, Oxford or otherwise, & as noted previously - it's not my job to do your homework for you.

If you want the info, you know how to look for it.
Start with Sarah Forsyth's book - it's been linked on here enough times.

Because I dared criticise you on a public forum you accuse me of being a rapist.
Where did she do that? [Confused]

But in order to give credibility to your statements, proof of sources to confirm your perspectives would be appreciated,

it's easy to say x, and then say do your own research, but then it does not give you any credibility similar to buzz words and newspaper headlines, with out the details, it's then basing your perspectives on Faith.

Because I dared criticise you on a public forum you accuse me of being a rapist.
??? How ridiculous.
You know 'consent' informs areas of life other than sex, don't you?

This is the epitome of the hysteria I mentioned earlier.
Inventing non-existent accusations of rape is a perfect definition of hysteria.

My advice to you is get better at debating or get some more easily defended positions.
😂Cracking.
But ... suppose I don't want to debate, & see no obligation to 'defend' a position?

You are the gift that keeps on giving - more hilariously pompous with every post.

But in order to give credibility to your statements, proof of sources to confirm your perspectives would be appreciated

But I have no need for you to find me credible, & don't value your appreciation.

Based on your statement, how would you prefer your views to be considered ?

You have not been violated in any way even though you find it intolerable.

You have some amazing assumptions going on 😂
I'm finding it amusing, not intolerable. I don't think you've fathomed how little weight I'm giving you ... am luckily on hols today, with a few chums round.
We're enjoying the garden, & they are mightily entertained by this anonymous, ludicrous spat. A bingo/drinking game started half an hour ago, & I'm 2 shots down on the strength of the other PP's sealioning alone - cheers!

Based on your statement, how would you prefer your views to be considered ?

By you old horse? Not at all.

By extension how do you expect others to take your perspectives with credibility, when the best source you have seems to be do your own research, as your way of somehow giving credibility to what you say ?

Thanks @AdamRyan

It's probably all to do with my moral cowardice & inability to "admit the truth" i.e. kowtow to some daft bigotry about feminism.

By extension how do you expect others to take your perspectives with credibility, when the best source you have seems to be do your own research, as your way of somehow giving credibility to what you say ?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Asking different ways of a question is not the same as asking the same question over and and over. I only asked once or twice and reframed my perspectives and wise based on our responses .

In conclusion my questioning methods does not amount to

"Sealioning is a critical term for a form of trolling that involves relentlessly pestering someone with questions and requests (such as for evidence or sources), typically with the goal of upsetting them and making their position or viewpoint seem weak or unreasonable. The verb form sealion (or sea lion) is also used."

So in conclusion can it be summarised is it possible to have a debate with you that one can learn from and both parties improve our knowledge or is it more better to take your words with low quality due to lack of variable sources to confirm your perspectives ?

But surely you realise from an academic research perspectives, that at Oxford and other universities it's taught that you should never rely on one individual source of information.

I've seen multiple requests for "evidence" from you on this thread hawkins

I'm sure OP has the thread well hidden by now