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to not tell anyone about my ‘legal wedding’?

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ShotgunSummerWedding · 11/04/2022 09:42

I should be so happy, but I’m so upset by my family’s reaction. I know MN is usually well in favour of the married couple to be doing whatever they wish, but just really want to vent and hear some similar stories. I want to preface this by saying I am my parents only child.

Me and my fiancé are due to welcome our baby girl in June after miscarriages and general misery. This pregnancy is going well and I am feeling a bit more hopeful each day that we will meet her. We really wanted to be married and have a lovely small family wedding before DC, but the first pregnancy was unplanned and stuck us on the TTC treadmill as we tried to regain what we had lost. We thankfully have, and now marriage is back on the cards. Before it stopped being a priority as the only thing I cared about was being pregnant again.

Now I am and we definitely want to get married before the baby is born. First and foremost, we want to be a legal family and cement that before she is here. Practically, we are also worried about the medical aspects of not being each other’s next of kin (particularly if anything goes wrong at birth). My partner is also a foreign national and if we are not married at birth it is notoriously difficult for her to get his citizenship without a lot of paperwork and expense. Financially too, he is worried about me being a SAHM and not having the legal protections of marriage, particularly if he died before we planned a wedding.

So we booked a registry office for next month and have given notice to marry. This would be our ‘legal’ wedding in jeans and trainers, just tick off all of the above. Our witnesses will be two friends. No one else.

I don’t want family there because I am still not very well and I’m terrified that something will happen to my baby. If my family are there then that ceremony becomes my wedding day and it will be forever tainted. Also, my fiancé’s family are not able to travel at the moment and I do not want my MIL and FIL to feel excluded. This ceremony is our legal protection together. Nothing more.

We do want a wedding though. Next year we are then going to take our family and friends on a destination wedding blessing next year and have bridesmaids, a cake, speeches and a nice party. When I am hopefully happier and in a better mental place after my daughter arriving safely.

I told my mother my plans (not set dates, just intentions) and she was furious and unkind. She is usually a lovely, non-toxic person. In her eyes, the vows are the most important thing and she is will be heartbroken if she doesn’t see them. She told me that if I am just going to see my marriage as a piece of paper, then I may as well bin my engagement ring and get a plastic one Confused

She eventually calmed down and sent me a text saying that she was sad, but I needed to do what was right for my family. I though this was her blessing and tried to talk to her a little more ‘would you like to know when we book somewhere?’ ‘Would you like pictures?’ but she quickly got angry and asked to be there. I explained all of the above, and she still didn’t get it and pulled faces. I have tried to get her excited about our ceremony next year, asking about bridesmaid’s dresses and planning dress shopping, but she rolled her eyes and said if my destination wedding guest list was so small then there was no point.

I’m at a loss of what to do. She keeps asking me about it but everything I say upsets her. I’m currently in the mindset that I want to just say “we’re not doing that because of how you have acted” but just go and do it anyway. And to tell no one. This is actually what my dad has advised…

But it just feels so untruthful Sad I’m so excited to be married and this just feels like something else (like my pregnancy) that has been ruined.

OP posts:
ShotgunSummerWedding · 11/04/2022 10:58

@NameChangeNameShange

Oh my god some times MN is bonkers! Some of the comments here are insane, especially to someone who up front has said she's struggling with anxiety over her current pregnancy.

Op look this is one thing you can't win. You can do what works for you and your DP. But it simple won't be something your DM will be happy about or possibly accept. That's shite but reality.You have told her the plans, you don't need to do more. Trying to fudge it by telling her little bits of it, like place and dates etc is just going to infuriate her, which will stress you and spoil things. I think you need to accept you won't win this one and just low-key do what is right for you. That might make you sad she can't accept your ideas, but she is completely within her rights to not do so.

As for your wedding/celebration next year, you've made your plans - again thats fine, your choice. You can invite people and then leave it up to them to come or not come. Just as when your Sister in Law eloped and your PIL were upset, some people will disagree with your plans and even people who previously agreed with them (because for some the plans have changed by the nature of getting legally married before), and decide that now they will not go. Thats their decision, just as you can decide on how you want to do things, they can decide to disagree.

To reply to your last paragraph- that won’t be happening. I don’t know why you are trying to scare or guilt me about this Confused

We already have 14 firm save the dates from people who are completely aware that the paperwork will be done beforehand and this will be a blessing ceremony, including my DM!

I just want my daughter to be there.

And that’s why I know my mum is so sad. But unfortunately it’s a sad, time-prescribed situation.

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Teeturtle · 11/04/2022 10:59

@Aberration

Everyone piling in to criticise ops destination blessing- why? It’s not relevant and I wouldn’t really give a shit where the legal bits happened if my friend invited me to a wedding. A long weekend totally paid for in a lovely place for a happy celebration? Sign me up! Isn’t it pretty common for people who get “married” abroad to do the legal bits in U.K. to avoid all the complications of having a legal agreement made in a foreign country?

I would just go quiet on your legal wedding with your mum. If she asks about it say you don’t want to talk about it because you don’t want to fall out with her anymore.

I had a destination wedding and no it isn’t common for the destination “weddings” to be a pretend weddings. They are generally real. You know people do get married in other countries don’t you, like the people that live there all year round? It is very easy to get married in another country, all you need to do is half an hour of research and the UK accepts marriages that occurred elsewhere, or are you imagining that everybody that says emigrated to the UK has to get married again over here because of some spurious refusal of the UK to accept overseas weddings. How ignorant are you exactly?

I would be incandescent if I spent my time and money attending a destination wedding that proved to be no more than a dress up party for a vain couple.

Gooseberrypies · 11/04/2022 10:59

Your poor mother. She wants to be there when her ONLY child commits to someone for the rest of her life. I would be gutted too. I don’t get what any of this has to do with your baby at all really. You’re either using it as an excuse or you’re over reacting, and yes, I have lost a baby. If I was invited to a destination ‘wedding’ and found out you’d already married a year before I’d be really annoyed. What an absolute waste of everyone’s time.

HardbackWriter · 11/04/2022 10:59

@Aberration

Op I would stop reading this thread. Sometimes people just like to put the boot in.

Do whatever is best for your mental health.

Completely agree with this. I do have some sympathy for OP's mother but the way that people have seized on and attacked OP is so completely, bizarrely disproportionate.
Aberration · 11/04/2022 11:01

@HangingRock25 if you read the ops post you’d see she said they are paying for all of it. Airfares included so my comment was specific to that.

I had one friend get married in Cyprus, another in Greece and both couples got legally married in U.K. first so I just assumed it was common. Excellent parties and doubled up to make a great holiday. Do you insist on checking the marriage certificate of weddings you attend before they are posted off to ensure you haven’t wasted your time at your friends weddings?

irishfarmer · 11/04/2022 11:01

I could be wrong, but I thought a lot of people having destination weddings did the legal bit before going? Because it can be a pain when you aren't resident there.

I get why you are doing it. I'm expecting my 1st and wouldn't like not to be married.

Would it be possible to get married in you partners home country? That way his parents could be there? So could you mum? If that is possible just be super firm with your mum and say NO to any of her plans.

My mam can be a bit much with SM. She was really pushing for me to make an announcement on FB. I've also had 3 mcs so was anxious. I know she is just excited like you mam but I have to tell her chill.

ShotgunSummerWedding · 11/04/2022 11:02

@HangingRock25

It is totally paid for- as I have said in previous posts. So you clearly haven’t read the thread properly.

Tickets, accommodation, even granny’s expired passport, all meals until departure, transfers, no obligations for gifts as we know people may like to buy a new outfit or hat. And at a time where everyone has leave.

Stop posting if you aren’t going to read the posts.

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saltedcaramelanything · 11/04/2022 11:02

We did similar- though for different reasons. My parents attended and my IL did not - but fortunately everyone understood why.

People flew across the country and from other countries to attend our "party" as other posters would apparently call it. But to us - and them - it was the wedding. We had the church, the dress, the reception with all our loved ones there. THAT is the wedding day I remember.

I honestly only remember the day of the "paperwork" for when I need to reference it on legal docs

SophieJo · 11/04/2022 11:02

If you are close to your mother and father, I’d invite them as witnesses to your vows. You may end up regretting it if you didn’t.

HangingRock25 · 11/04/2022 11:02

I would be incandescent if I spent my time and money attending a destination wedding that proved to be no more than a dress up party for a vain couple.

Exactly, it really is taking the piss, especially when people have to apply for annual leave, and fork out thousands for travel, accommodation, plus a gift, plus spending money, plus outfits,

ShotgunSummerWedding · 11/04/2022 11:03

@Gooseberrypies

Your poor mother. She wants to be there when her ONLY child commits to someone for the rest of her life. I would be gutted too. I don’t get what any of this has to do with your baby at all really. You’re either using it as an excuse or you’re over reacting, and yes, I have lost a baby. If I was invited to a destination ‘wedding’ and found out you’d already married a year before I’d be really annoyed. What an absolute waste of everyone’s time.
What a spectacularly nasty post. You’re not invited, so don’t worry.

Again, read the thread. Everyone knows the score and has RSVP’d. It’s a small wedding.

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CharityShopChic · 11/04/2022 11:03

I wouldn't be impressed at being asked to shell out £££ for a fakey wedding in an expensive overseas destination not of my choosing. You can define "wedding" how you like OP, and I totally understand where you are with your tricky pregnancy and wanting to be married asap, but 99% of people define the "wedding" as the bit where you legally become man and wife.

The rest is just fluff and extras. Expecting very close family to be happy with missing out on the real thing, and then to pay a lot of money for what is a glorified party isn't really on.

ShotgunSummerWedding · 11/04/2022 11:03

@HangingRock25

I would be incandescent if I spent my time and money attending a destination wedding that proved to be no more than a dress up party for a vain couple.

Exactly, it really is taking the piss, especially when people have to apply for annual leave, and fork out thousands for travel, accommodation, plus a gift, plus spending money, plus outfits,

Still not reading the threaaaaaaad
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HangingRock25 · 11/04/2022 11:07

I am speaking generally. About destination weddings in general, not just yours.

2022ttchope · 11/04/2022 11:08

@ShotgunSummerWedding so people don't need to take any time off at all?

Can see it's all paid for.

We nearly got married at a registry (covid) and had big party later on but we postponed and for us, we were so happy we did.

My favourite part of the whole day was the actual getting married part, in the church surrounded by loved ones. Saying our vows for the first time etc. You might be underestimating how wonderful that part is.

If you have the chance to make your real wedding day special, do it!

CoreyTaylorisHot · 11/04/2022 11:08

The thing that stands out to me is the conversation with your mother and that she sees the vows (as far as I know most people do) is the important part of getting married! The rest is a wedding party, the actual wedding day is when you legally get married.
Your mother is upset about missing the most important part, not the wedding party.

theemmadilemma · 11/04/2022 11:10

Well the simple answer would have been not to tell anyone until the legal bit was done and then no one could have argued about it.

Nothing to do done now though. Placate your mother. Send her the pic she wants. Continue with plans.

desiringonlychild2022 · 11/04/2022 11:12

DH and I are an international couple and we knew we wanted to be together from the start. We met in university and married very soon after graduating (I was 22 years old) while DH was still in university and a few weeks from submitting his masters thesis! Didn't have money then for a wedding.

We married in the registry office with only 2 witnesses and none of our parents and we said we would have a wedding after we were more settled with savings and homeowners. We married in 2015, bought our flat in 2019. We planned for 2 weddings in 2020 one in London and one in my home country. But then covid happened. I couldn't even go back to my home country without a 2 week quarantine. It was delayed until 2022 (and my guests wore masks and we used an app to toast each other; happily i didn't need to wear a mask).

My mum and relatives was very happy on my wedding day. I don't regret doing it this way. It might not be for everyone but I didn't want to do a long distance relationship with DH and if we hadn't done things based on this time frame and did long distance for a few years, maybe we would have been separated due to covid or I would have been in my in-laws' home when covid broke out (was there for 3 years before we bought our place). The important thing for me is that we are together, spend every single day together and the fact that we can celebrate with our family and friends is the icing on the cake (and there is no fixed timeframe lol).

Seemssounfair · 11/04/2022 11:12

You might want a destination "wedding" but you cant have that and do the "legal bit" before. The legal bit IS the wedding.

If your circumstances mean doing the legal bit sooner rather than later it makes sense to do that and have a vow renewal or a celebration of your choosing later, but others are allowed to not feel the same way and not to go the expense and inconvience of a "party" abroad.

Do want you want and own your decisions, but it would be underhand to lie to manipulate others. Would you really want your celebration tainted as everyone had been brought there to join you through lies?

45redballoons · 11/04/2022 11:15

Meh, the legal bit is the boring bit, I'd be fine with your abroad wedding celebration. Infact I travelled once to a relationship celebration for a couple who had been together years but didn't want to get married. It was quite like a wedding. Not abroad, but Scotland to the south of England. Had a great time.

HangingRock25 · 11/04/2022 11:15

to not tell anyone about my ‘legal wedding’?

and

people who are completely aware that the paperwork will be done beforehand and this will be a blessing ceremony

Which one is true? The first indicates they don't know you will be having a legal wedding beforehand. The second, indicates that they do know.

KateMiddletonsBodyDouble · 11/04/2022 11:16

OP would you be more amenable to have your mum there if she would literally only be a witness, and the rest would still be the low-key, in jeans etc that you want?

Because it sounds like the main issue is less her being there but your fear she will take over and turn it into a big event, which isn't what you want.

So maybe you can offer her a compromise (and make her stick to it?) that she can come but on condition none of the rest happens. And if she can't accept that then she doesn't get to come? Particularly as you're an only child, I can understand her sadness.

And very gently - she can't "guilt" you into anything unless you allow it. No, no, and no - or she's out.

Really hope your little one arrives safely Flowers

NameChangeNameShange · 11/04/2022 11:17

I wasn't trying to scare you or guilt you at all, I'm genuinely sorry if I did. However as you can see from your DM's reaction, your MIL's reaction to her daughter eloping and indeed several comments on this thread - people feel very strongly about weddings and can react emotionally to the decisions people make about their weddings. You can't dictate what they think or how they react, even if you think its irrational. All you can do is make the decisions that are best for you and your DP and its wonderful that despite being upset at the registry side, your DM is still committed to the destination wedding, that wasn't clear from previous posts.

Aberration has the best advice. This thread is not going to give you the reassurance you want.

FrankLampardsBrokenHand · 11/04/2022 11:17

These comments are batshit.

It's your marriage, about you and your future husband. You do it exactly as you want to do it, and that's that! Your mother will have to make her peace with it because actually it isn't about her watching you say your vows, it's about you saying them to one another.

Be open with people that your destination event will be a blessing of sorts and just stop engaging with your mother on the matter because its only going to cause you stress.

desiringonlychild2022 · 11/04/2022 11:18

@Seemssounfair I had my 'wedding banquet' several years after my legal marriage and all my relatives knew that I had done the solemnization before hand. Actually most people in my country have the solemnization done separately from the banquet. We had a tea ceremony for the older guests which is culturally quite important. my relatives treated it as a wedding. I am having a religious wedding separately (now I couldn't do this for my legal marriage as I wasn't Jewish then, and you must be jewish to have a Jewish wedding).

For international couples, I think it can be quite difficult balancing practicalities and the same rules can't apply. What matters is that the couple are in love and want to be together, whether today is the day they got married or not.