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to not tell anyone about my ‘legal wedding’?

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ShotgunSummerWedding · 11/04/2022 09:42

I should be so happy, but I’m so upset by my family’s reaction. I know MN is usually well in favour of the married couple to be doing whatever they wish, but just really want to vent and hear some similar stories. I want to preface this by saying I am my parents only child.

Me and my fiancé are due to welcome our baby girl in June after miscarriages and general misery. This pregnancy is going well and I am feeling a bit more hopeful each day that we will meet her. We really wanted to be married and have a lovely small family wedding before DC, but the first pregnancy was unplanned and stuck us on the TTC treadmill as we tried to regain what we had lost. We thankfully have, and now marriage is back on the cards. Before it stopped being a priority as the only thing I cared about was being pregnant again.

Now I am and we definitely want to get married before the baby is born. First and foremost, we want to be a legal family and cement that before she is here. Practically, we are also worried about the medical aspects of not being each other’s next of kin (particularly if anything goes wrong at birth). My partner is also a foreign national and if we are not married at birth it is notoriously difficult for her to get his citizenship without a lot of paperwork and expense. Financially too, he is worried about me being a SAHM and not having the legal protections of marriage, particularly if he died before we planned a wedding.

So we booked a registry office for next month and have given notice to marry. This would be our ‘legal’ wedding in jeans and trainers, just tick off all of the above. Our witnesses will be two friends. No one else.

I don’t want family there because I am still not very well and I’m terrified that something will happen to my baby. If my family are there then that ceremony becomes my wedding day and it will be forever tainted. Also, my fiancé’s family are not able to travel at the moment and I do not want my MIL and FIL to feel excluded. This ceremony is our legal protection together. Nothing more.

We do want a wedding though. Next year we are then going to take our family and friends on a destination wedding blessing next year and have bridesmaids, a cake, speeches and a nice party. When I am hopefully happier and in a better mental place after my daughter arriving safely.

I told my mother my plans (not set dates, just intentions) and she was furious and unkind. She is usually a lovely, non-toxic person. In her eyes, the vows are the most important thing and she is will be heartbroken if she doesn’t see them. She told me that if I am just going to see my marriage as a piece of paper, then I may as well bin my engagement ring and get a plastic one Confused

She eventually calmed down and sent me a text saying that she was sad, but I needed to do what was right for my family. I though this was her blessing and tried to talk to her a little more ‘would you like to know when we book somewhere?’ ‘Would you like pictures?’ but she quickly got angry and asked to be there. I explained all of the above, and she still didn’t get it and pulled faces. I have tried to get her excited about our ceremony next year, asking about bridesmaid’s dresses and planning dress shopping, but she rolled her eyes and said if my destination wedding guest list was so small then there was no point.

I’m at a loss of what to do. She keeps asking me about it but everything I say upsets her. I’m currently in the mindset that I want to just say “we’re not doing that because of how you have acted” but just go and do it anyway. And to tell no one. This is actually what my dad has advised…

But it just feels so untruthful Sad I’m so excited to be married and this just feels like something else (like my pregnancy) that has been ruined.

OP posts:
HardbackWriter · 12/04/2022 11:06

@RoundTheGardens

OP, it sounds as though what you want are the legal protections of marriage before your DD is born, but are happy for the actual marriage to happen with family afterwards?

In which case, all of the legal protections of marriage (inheritance, PoA if anything happens to you, etc) can be gained through alternative ways- you can sign various declarations, deeds of trust, wills etc which would give the same protections.

Usually people wouldn't bother with this because it's a much more expensive way of getting the same result as marriage, which is much cheaper (the legal part!) But as in your particular circumstances it could be a perfect resolution, and money is no object... have you considered consulting a Shit Hot Lawyer before the birth to contract yourselves into all of the legal agreements of marriage, and then making your abroad wedding a legal one that replaces those temporary agreements?

Just an idea. Best of luck with the birth Daffodil

She also says this, which seems trickier to work around:

My partner is also a foreign national and if we are not married at birth it is notoriously difficult for her to get his citizenship without a lot of paperwork and expense.

RoundTheGardens · 12/04/2022 11:22

@HardbackWriter you're right. Citizenship/immigration law is completely outside of my expertise so I wouldn't know just how difficult the 'extra paperwork' would be. But the 'extra expense' is clearly no issue if 'money is no object.' So it'd still be worth looking into whether the extra paperwork for citizenship and legal protections is worth it to have a legal marriage that the families can attend?

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/04/2022 12:08

If the 14 know it’s a party celebration but not the full legal wedding. Then why does your title say to not tell anyone about the legal bit.

They either know or don’t know

Who are the 14

And you say your mil to be would be upset to not attend a wedding as other child eloped

But you are doing the same to your mum

She won’t see you get married

But you are not having a destination wedding! You are having a holiday and playing dress up pretending that you are getting married.

Also intrigued over the beck ham wedding with 3 million spent on it lol

that you are paying all costs, so what’s the cost to pay for everyone’s flights passports clothes hotel costs

babyjellyfish · 12/04/2022 16:09

@Blondeshavemorefun

If the 14 know it’s a party celebration but not the full legal wedding. Then why does your title say to not tell anyone about the legal bit.

They either know or don’t know

Who are the 14

And you say your mil to be would be upset to not attend a wedding as other child eloped

But you are doing the same to your mum

She won’t see you get married

But you are not having a destination wedding! You are having a holiday and playing dress up pretending that you are getting married.

Also intrigued over the beck ham wedding with 3 million spent on it lol

that you are paying all costs, so what’s the cost to pay for everyone’s flights passports clothes hotel costs

You are being ridiculous. And mean.
zoeFromCity · 12/04/2022 16:32

Re last several posts: Why though? Why should the OP do anything else than get quickly and quietly married? Marriage in this sense is a legal document signed by 3 parties. Adult1, Adult2 and The State. They want this agreement with state, and they have reasons to get it ASAP.

The only one loosing here is one selfish mother, who can't be trusted even to quietly stand in the back of the registry office without making a fuss, so will have to wait for the fuss event when OP is ready for it.
Both asking the OP to make a fuss now and to not get the legal status now are bad suggestions. Yes, it would be lovely to have one nice wedding with everyone, but life got into the way and the best option now is to split it.

Thenose · 12/04/2022 16:35

Your registry office wedding is your wedding. Whatever you do in the future might be fantastic, but it won't be a wedding in a sense most people understand it.

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/04/2022 16:42

Why am I

Op says is she unreasonable to not let people know she is legally married

Yet then says the 14 coming are all fine with coming to a destination party

Coz it isn’t a wedding

As she is already married

Why not do it as a renewal of vows instead a year later

babyjellyfish · 12/04/2022 16:56

@Blondeshavemorefun

Why am I

Op says is she unreasonable to not let people know she is legally married

Yet then says the 14 coming are all fine with coming to a destination party

Coz it isn’t a wedding

As she is already married

Why not do it as a renewal of vows instead a year later

Of course it's a wedding. This is how millions of people all over the world do it.

Mumsnet is the only place I have ever seen mass knicker wetting over this issue.

Chickychoccyegg · 12/04/2022 17:11

Everyone that has a destination wedding has to get legally married in a registery office too, dont they?
You're mistake was tell her and others about it, instead of quietly doing it, as now they'll think of that as your wedding day, your title asks if your unreasonable not to tell anyone, but you have told people?

whenwilliwillibefamous · 12/04/2022 17:14

Sounds like your Dad has his head screwed on OP, I'd do what he suggested! You've had a rotten time, you're trying to cope, and your Mum is reacting ... poorly. Look, we can all sort of see how she might feel the way she does, but still not condone it. I don't. I think she's being self absorbed and short sighted.

Fib, get the legals done. Worst comes to the worst, she finds out at the weddingy-wedding, but by then a) you can get your Dad to help deal with any drama & b) you should be in a happier place yourself by then.

whenwilliwillibefamous · 12/04/2022 17:20

PS as loads of PPs have said, in lots of countries - including the UK if you are e.g. Muslim - it's perfectly normal to do the legals in your jeans one day and have the big arse "proper" wedding another time.

HikingforScenery · 12/04/2022 17:21

“We’re not doing that because of the way you’ve acted”? Have a heart, OP. How dare she be upset about not being able to see her only child get married.

Do you want but she has a right to her feelings.

Not sure how you’re happy get pregnant before marriage but now, there a huge rush to get married before the baby is here?
Living everyday is an opportunity for something medical to happen.

bettydelrimple · 12/04/2022 17:29

@Letterasaurus

Wouldn't it be best to postpone everything until your baby is safely here?

This all sounds bonkers and a load of unnecessary stress.

Agreed. Bonkers. All of it. Just do what works best for you and your DP. No need for all this angst.
LegMeChicken · 12/04/2022 17:31

@HikingforScenery

“We’re not doing that because of the way you’ve acted”? Have a heart, OP. How dare she be upset about not being able to see her only child get married.

Do you want but she has a right to her feelings.

Not sure how you’re happy get pregnant before marriage but now, there a huge rush to get married before the baby is here?
Living everyday is an opportunity for something medical to happen.

Did you just equate the risk of everyday living to giving birth??? Now I've seen it all... bonkers
ThreeRingCircus · 12/04/2022 18:22

OP I would do exactly as your father says, get married quickly and on the quiet. Stop bringing it up with anyone and then speak to your mum and get planning for the destination celebration.

I can understand why you're doing what you're doing. I can also understand why your mum is upset so I think the best thing to do is stop bringing it up with her and talk to her about all the things she can be involved in.

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/04/2022 19:14

@Chickychoccyegg

Everyone that has a destination wedding has to get legally married in a registery office too, dont they? You're mistake was tell her and others about it, instead of quietly doing it, as now they'll think of that as your wedding day, your title asks if your unreasonable not to tell anyone, but you have told people?
No they don’t

My first marriage was a destination wedding

Antigua

I was legally married that day abroad

WakeMeUpWhenTheyHaveGone · 12/04/2022 19:33

HikingforScenery

“…Not sure how you’re happy get pregnant before marriage but now, there a huge rush to get married before the baby is here?…”

^That part is very judgemental and is none of your business!

OP has explained why they have made the decisions that they have made (not that she has to).

coronafiona · 12/04/2022 20:27

Why don't you just invite your and your husbands parents to both events? I'd be heartbroken to miss my dcs big days. Your mum sounds like she was desperately hurt. Having parents there surely won't make it less intimate and you can still have your big destination wedding.

babyjellyfish · 12/04/2022 22:10

So many people not reading the OP's posts.

siestaingsnake · 12/04/2022 22:21

could you have PIL there on zoom and mum in person for your vows and everyone in person for the blessing/party?

nitsandwormsdodger · 12/04/2022 22:24

I went to my best mates wedding in a posh rugby club house and only afterwards realised I’d not witnessed a legal wedding ( they even hired a retired vicar who gave a blessing with very carefully chosen words ) they were legally married a week later ( this was due to logistical reasons ) I’m not sure anyone else was aware or noticed , they could easily have faked up a signing the register photo op if they wanted.

It’s such a shame your mum has had such a strong reaction maybe she too has been effected by your loses and is stressing over this baby and your health??

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