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ivykaty44 · 2022-04-06T16:04:47+00:00

[[https://trib.al/ov5g0nj]] I can’t stand the throes but agree with this

TheKeatingFive · 08/04/2022 08:29

Your reply would be "ah but it would be worse under Labour" but you don't know that because you don't know what their manifesto will say

You keep saying this, but they've signalled very clearly what their intention is. No one's forgetting Starmers inability to admit to biological reality.

I honestly don't know how they would row back from this.

MarshaBradyo · 08/04/2022 08:30

Feelingok I’m glad you feel more able to speak about it at work now. So many threads where women felt silenced.

Imo given the feedback we’ll see more. Eg Javid as a start

Alexandra2001 · 08/04/2022 08:33

@TheKeatingFive

So I agree that he's not actually done anything. It remains to be seen if he will actually do anything either.

Not doing anything would be infinitely preferable to the changes Labour are proposing, so that would still be beneficial.

Can you share these changes with us please? i'd love to see Labours Manifesto for the 2024 GE or indeed the Tory one too?

Or are you just going with your prejudice instead......

Helleofabore · 08/04/2022 08:34

hes not actually DONE anything, I doubt very much he is going to back down on a purely factual statement

Don’t forget rufus, he has also expressed concern that there seems to be more to the ‘conversion’ therapy ban too.

So, yeah. He has not done anything except express biological facts and want to see some more facts before believing in some sketchy medical treatments. And yet, he has made his opponents in the Labour Party and Lib dems seem ridiculous!

Who knew all it took was honesty!

HRTQueen · 08/04/2022 08:36

Of course Johnson’s advisors will be all over social media, reading comments online, listening to radio phone ins they need to engage with what the public are thinking. This issue blew up in the last few week because of the ridiculous comments by Starmer he is the leader of the opposition he knows words matter

That’s been Labour’s issue for years now they only want to engage with those that the party feel are worthy of their votes or that the party have chosen to champion

Labour will not back down over this they shall have review after review unless there is new leadership. This will come back to haunt Starmer come election time

Tories do change policies the shift with public opinion that is why they are so successful as a party

Alexandra2001 · 08/04/2022 08:36

@TheKeatingFive

Your reply would be "ah but it would be worse under Labour" but you don't know that because you don't know what their manifesto will say

You keep saying this, but they've signalled very clearly what their intention is. No one's forgetting Starmers inability to admit to biological reality.

I honestly don't know how they would row back from this.

err the Tories were going to change the GRA and make Self ID a paer exercise weren't they?

But apparently they can row back from this but Labour cannot.

You re all getting wound up over something that is happening under a Tory Govt BUT seeking to blame Labour for it..... bit like Javid and the NHS ...

bellinisurge · 08/04/2022 08:36

@EmeraldShamrock1 - this story on repeat . Daily if necessary. It's not about trans people being a risk, it's about creating a situation where predators can exploit the automatic deference to a man claiming to be trans.
Like priests. Like 70s TV personalities. "They must be ok because they are a [insert revered male]. No wonder Glinner called them Wokus Dei.

MarshaBradyo · 08/04/2022 08:40

‘Wound up’

If none of this bothers you and you feel safe that Labour won’t introduce Self ID that’s up to you but this has landed well and support is there

And how easy it was to break the ideological hold that women had to put up with - just make a statement of fact.

Labour struggle with that so they have been left behind on this issue.

TheKeatingFive · 08/04/2022 08:41

err the Tories were going to change the GRA and make Self ID a paer exercise weren't they?

But apparently they can row back from this but Labour cannot.

Well can't you see the difference?

How many Labour politicians have come out publicly to demonstrate that they don't respect the fundamentals of biological sex?

It's Labour politicians that have called women campaigning for their sex based rights bigots.

And now the Tories are shifting their position and Labour manifestly are not.

Hoppinggreen · 08/04/2022 08:42

I couldn’t bring myself to type that sentence OP but I actually do

OvaHere · 08/04/2022 08:43

But apparently they can row back from this but Labour cannot.

Yes Labour can row back from it, which I would welcome, but as of right now they are not.

Starmer does have time between now and whenever a GE is called to back the government's moves for a common sense way forward based in reality so I guess we'll have to see what happens.

FOJN · 08/04/2022 08:47

But apparently they can row back from this but Labour cannot.

It's more like Labour won't. No one is stopping them rowing back. We're waiting and ready to give them our vote if they commit to protecting women's rights and can define what a woman is. We keep telling them "no debate" is not acceptable and they have told us they don't want our votes if we won't shut up.

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 08/04/2022 08:49

Labour are far more down the road with Self id than the Tories ever were though. Have any Tory MPs said that male rapists should be able to go to a female prison if they want to? Have any Tory MPs posed with a 'rising star' in the way that Angela Rayner and Corbyn posed with Lily Madigan (who, let's face it, had all the charisma and 'star quality' of a slug)? Have any Tory MPs said that babies are born without a sex?

It would be much harder for Labour to row back from self id, but they need to start now if the stand a hope of getting a look in at the next election.

It's not even just this issue - the way they have completely thrown themselves into this dogma and seemingly abandoned all judgement, critical thinking and common sense in order to do so, completely discredits them generally. I have found it quite disturbing the lengths they are willing to go, the utter shit they are willing to say, to uphold a ridiculous ideology, and it gives me zero faith that they are capable of competently running this country at all.

Helleofabore · 08/04/2022 08:50

Aside, i don't know a single person who cares about this in RL

And yet, as a mother of a teenager, I know a great many. And more than a few directly worried about the conversion therapy bill with their daughters. Daughters with incredibly poor mental health and a host of other health issues, who have declared themselves transboys and seeking referral.

And the parents with teenage girls about to move into adult female sports teams at all levels.

So glad that posters don’t actually see the families who are directly impacted by the multiple issues these ideological beliefs are negatively influencing.

There again, we also have posters telling us how to prioritise the many issues impacting the lives of the UK population as they see it.

And don’t framing our concerns for our children as ‘feeling threatened’ by ‘trans’.

HRTQueen · 08/04/2022 08:51

Labour won’t row back I think a change of leader may shift things slightly

How will they explain that those who have faith they will have their support

And this is how a Labour operate they are far more entrenched in ideologies than the Tories which time and time again backfires on them

HarrietPierce7 · 08/04/2022 08:52

Wes Streeting, Labour frontbencher, categorically stated ‘Men have penises, women have vaginas" which is what Starmer should have done.

Helleofabore · 08/04/2022 08:53

err the Tories were going to change the GRA and make Self ID a paer exercise weren't they?

They put forward a plan, and first sought to investigate it. Got in submissions and considered them, then used those submissions to create policy and changes.

Isn’t that what good governing is about in a democracy?

Oh! Wait! Didn’t that also happen in Scotland and the government has decided to ignore the submissions that they didn’t agree with.

MarshaBradyo · 08/04/2022 08:53

Aside, i don't know a single person who cares about this in RL

I do for sure. But people can end up in more like minded areas of life.

Looking at feedback not just on here but also when HoL acted a while back many are showing support for change.

HRTQueen · 08/04/2022 08:55

Yes West Streeting did a simple straight forward answer

Could he be lining himself up maybe.

Alexandra2001 · 08/04/2022 08:55

And now the Tories are shifting their position and Labour manifestly are not

..and..

Yes Labour can row back from it, which I would welcome, but as of right now they are not

Labours shadow chancellor Racheal Reeve said a few days ago..

""single sex spaces in prisons, in refuges and in sport, which is obviously an issue of topical debate at the moment".

Seems an about turn on previous interviews.

MarshaBradyo · 08/04/2022 08:59

Starmer needs to be committed and clear on the change of direction, if it happens, but I think they’re stuck.

Reeves may say one thing but Rayner then showed how Labour wanted to react more recently. That was knee jerk probably but no clear alignment.

TheKeatingFive · 08/04/2022 09:00

single sex spaces in prisons, in refuges and in sport, which is obviously an issue of topical debate at the moment.

I don't see anything remotely 'turning' in that statement. It's simply acknowledging its being talked about.

HRTQueen · 08/04/2022 09:02

Many people are not aware of the issue and if they are they think it’s all a nonsense

This is why it’s so important that it is spoken about by our most senior politicians because it’s not just about arguments on social media around is a man in a dress a woman

Johnson’s statement made it clear where he stands he has always been an extremely savvy politician this was also unusual for him to be so precise. A statement that many will listen to and think does that really need to be said it’s common sense who is saying anything different. And now they know …

Common sense is always a vote winner

Helleofabore · 08/04/2022 09:04

Reeve said a few days ago..

"single sex spaces in prisons, in refuges and in sport, which is obviously an issue of topical debate at the moment*

And do they mean single sex based on biological fact, or still include those with a legally changed birth certificate.

The fact that I will never take a statement like that from any political party as a sign they are listening to women’s needs and concerns at face value say it all.

I slightly trust the Tory party more if they say it now. I will doubt anything the Labour Party says about this until they clarify on that statement. Like Starmer saying women should have women only spaces after declaring what a women means in his opinion. Sleight of hand tricks are par for the course at this point.

MarshaBradyo · 08/04/2022 09:08

Like Starmer saying women should have women only spaces after declaring what a women means in his opinion. Sleight of hand tricks are par for the course at this point.

That kind of trickery and lack of clarity is a big issue. I think he’s blown it on this issue. But maybe if he learns to speak clearly he’ll get some voters back.