I agree with Boris

[ivykaty44]

trib.al/ov5g0nj I can’t stand the throes but agree with this

I agree with you. I’m not sure they will reverse on this however.

I don't think they will either. Their views are entrenched to the point that the Labour Party have said that they don't want members in their party who disagree with their position on this.

And the way they have treated Rosie Duffield beggars belief.

What I am confused about is why posters like Blossom think that this is the fault of Boris Johnson. You may not like him but HE Is not responsible for the failings of the opposition to make vote winning policies

Where have I said it’s his fault? I’ve said I don’t trust him. He lies. He flip flops. He’s the most untrustworthy and corrupt politician of my lifetime - and, given that I’m old, there’s some stiff competition - so why would he mean what he says? He never has before.

A lot of people are grrrr Boris and can’t think beyond their hatred of him and that colours their judgement. Not just on here but places like Twitter too.
And it’s why they are shocked when he wins 80 seat majorities as they can’t understand that most people don’t think like them.
My horticulture club love him for example. My colleagues mostly like him too. A couple are indifferent. I am not grrr every time he speaks and desperate to take the worst possible interpretation of what he has said and his motives for saying it.
I think he was right on lockdown generally, he was right to respect democracy and not try and reverse brexit, he is doing well on Ukraine and he is right that children should not be considered Gillick competent when it comes to irreversible medical procedures and their parents should be involved.

A lot of people are grrrr Boris and can’t think beyond their hatred of him and that colours their judgement. Not just on here but places like Twitter too.

Twitter have tendency to ignore the MAPS and ban anyone with right wing veiws so it becomes a bit of an echo chamber. The idealogues who were reporting others with the intention of getting them banned then complain about the free speech platforms which have sprung up in response to the hostility to conservative voices on Twitter and brand them extremists/white supremacists/ fascists. And then to cap it all they are baffled by election outcomes. It's farcical.

And then to cap it all they are baffled by election outcomes. It's farcical

I know, this did make me laugh after the last election. Tweeters were completely astounded that labour didnt win. They had seen polls on Twitter and everything. Absolutely no thoughts about getting people banned from Twitter and only seeing similar points of view having some effect.

I know, this did make me laugh after the last election.

I recall a list of 35 reasons why Labour lost (might have been Talcum X) and nearly every single one of them blamed the electorate. I suppose it's consistent with the modern lefts aversion to ANY personal responsibility.

He's already been in power for years and the Tory party have been for over 12 years.

He's already been in power for years

A few days short of two years and four months. Most of which time we have been coping with a pandemic. (I know he was PM before the December 2019 election, but due to the lack of parliamentary majority, and Remainers determined to obstruct everything, he can't be said to have been 'in power' then.)

He was “in power” enough to try and prorogue Parliament and take the whip away from all the reasonable Tory MPs.

He’s the most untrustworthy and corrupt politician of my lifetime - and, given that I’m old, there’s some stiff competition - so why would he mean what he says? He never has before.

So Blossom, seriously, in terms of the topic do you really think he is as much of a risk to women as the Labour Party which has absolutely nailed it's flag to the mast on women's rights? I just don't believe this. Not when the majority of people don't believe in Self ID and want women to retain rights.

I've been around a bit too. I have two autistic children who are badly impacted by public spending cuts, particularly SEN and CAMHS and have NEVER voted conservative but this is a single issue worth rejecting Labour for me. The reason why? Well, because women are more impacted than men, in general terms when hard times hit and if you can't name women then outcomes will be worse for us. It was women who had to give up work, generally speaking, in covid to care for children. It is women who take on unpaid caring roles. Women are at more risk of violent crime than men, women are discriminated against and paid less in work than male counterparts often for simply committing the sin of childbearing and child rearing. Under a labour government women have no chance of equality. I DO believe that Boris is telling the truth on this issue because it is the truth. The fact that he has lied in the past doesn't mean he can never tell the truth on any issue.

In addition my gender non conforming autistic daughter is seriously at risk of actual harm in a world where we affirm people who don't adhere to stereotypes. That risk is far more serious to me than a lying politician. They all lie.

I just can't vote for ANY party that is openly saying that they will remove rights of women and will harm children.

EVER.

And what evidence can you present that Labour has ever really treated women as equal to me? . Trade Unions are traditionally boys clubs and it's pretty telling that in spite the fact that there have been strong candidates , there has never been a female leader of the labour party. Whereas the Conservatives have had 2 female prime ministers.

Equal to MEN! not equal to me.

@Blossomtoes

He was “in power” enough to try and prorogue Parliament and take the whip away from all the reasonable Tory MPs.

He took the whip away from my MP. She was an amazing MP.

It still doesn't mean that Labour are electable with their views on women's rights.

So Blossom, seriously, in terms of the topic do you really think he is as much of a risk to women as the Labour Party

So seriously I think he’s a risk to everyone. I’ve said what I think of him and nothing will change that, he’s an absolute liability. Frankly, it amazes me that someone with disabled children would even entertain voting for a party which holds them in such contempt and has a record of making life hell for disabled adults.

I don’t know what else I can say really because I’m wasting my time.

You are wasting your time with me.

A party that promotes self ID and harm to girls like my daughter do not deserve my vote.

If you want Labour to be a party worth voting for then you need to lobby them about how they can be losing votes like mine. This is on the Labour Party. I can't trust them on any issue when I know they won't keep my child safe.

@Blossomtoes

So Blossom, seriously, in terms of the topic do you really think he is as much of a risk to women as the Labour Party

So seriously I think he’s a risk to everyone. I’ve said what I think of him and nothing will change that, he’s an absolute liability. Frankly, it amazes me that someone with disabled children would even entertain voting for a party which holds them in such contempt and has a record of making life hell for disabled adults.

I don’t know what else I can say really because I’m wasting my time.

I'm with @Blossomtoes on the waste of time. People who think Johnson can be trusted and is worthy of their vote because this one issue matters to the exclusion of anything else aren't going to change their minds.

Those like myself who have a different point of view aren't going to change their minds either.

As I said I don't think I know any women who'll feel that they can vote Tory on the basis of self ID. Thankfully.

As I said I don't think I know any women who'll feel that they can vote Tory on the basis of self ID. Thankfully.

I think you probably do in reality.

People don't talk about things like this much irl. Because NO DEBATE.

@lifeturnsonadime

You are wasting your time with me.

A party that promotes self ID and harm to girls like my daughter do not deserve my vote.

If you want Labour to be a party worth voting for then you need to lobby them about how they can be losing votes like mine. This is on the Labour Party. I can't trust them on any issue when I know they won't keep my child safe.

I don’t want the Labour Party to be or do anything. I don’t vote Labour and haven’t since 2017. I’m sure as hell not voting Tory either because I don’t believe in self harm. I couldn’t care less what you do with your vote.

I don’t know what else I can say really because I’m wasting my time.

The only thing to do is keep pressure on Labour, Lib Dems etc to take women's rights seriously and stop giving the Tories an open goal.

@lifeturnsonadime

As I said I don't think I know any women who'll feel that they can vote Tory on the basis of self ID. Thankfully.

I think you probably do in reality.

People don't talk about things like this much irl. Because NO DEBATE.

No, I don't think I do. I'm pretty sure about my friends and how they engage politically.

I don’t want the Labour Party to be or do anything. I don’t vote Labour and haven’t since 2017. I’m sure as hell not voting Tory either because I don’t believe in self harm. I couldn’t care less what you do with your vote.

I don't mean to be difficult but how does your vote oust the Tory party if you are not voting for the only viable opposition.?

Why are you taking the moral high ground when you are not actually voting for a party that could remove the Conservative Government that you revile so much?

In my area, a Tory stronghold, my vote is worthless anyway.

Last time I spoiled my ballot paper as that gives a stronger message than voting for the dominant political party.

No, I don't think I do. I'm pretty sure about my friends and how they engage politically.

You know what they tell you not what they do.

@lifeturnsonadime

No, I don't think I do. I'm pretty sure about my friends and how they engage politically.

You know what they tell you not what they do.

Have it your own way. They're my friends, not yours.

In my area, a Tory stronghold, my vote is worthless anyway

Same

Last time I spoiled my ballot paper as that gives a stronger message than voting for the dominant political party

Same

Why are we arguing? Neither of our votes will make a gnat’s arse difference in the next election. 🤷‍♀️

Well we are arguing because you are flabbergasted at the fact that women prefer Labour policy to Tory on women's rights and self ID and are pointing out that it is a sure fire way to keep the opposition in opposition for the foreseeable.

You blame the conservatives for it, because Mr Johnson tells lies.

I blame Labour for it for telling THE BIG LIE.

I mean, it's almost unbelievable to be having this conversation after the shit show of the last few years, yet here we are because of Labour's inability to make policy that is vote worthy.