I agree with Boris

[ivykaty44]

trib.al/ov5g0nj I can’t stand the throes but agree with this

Ilovesooty

I'm intrigued. Do your friends believe women have penises and that it is fine to mutilate children?

Do your friends believe that a Labour government will better the lot of vulnerable women?

Sorry I've had a glass of wine and realise I should have said because women prefer Tory policy to Labour not the other way round.

@lifeturnsonadime

Ilovesooty

I'm intrigued. Do your friends believe women have penises and that it is fine to mutilate children?

Do your friends believe that a Labour government will better the lot of vulnerable women?

I'm not prepared to rise to the way that question is phrased.

I don't believe you're intrigued at all. My friends in general have similar priorities to mine.

Why are you not prepared to rise to the question of the risk that the Labour Party policy imposes on children and females?

I think you are burying your head in the sand, and so are your friends.

@lifeturnsonadime

Why are you not prepared to rise to the question of the risk that the Labour Party policy imposes on children and females?

I think you are burying your head in the sand, and so are your friends.

Yes I know what you think.

I'm not prepared to rise to the way that question is phrased because I know what I think, neither of us is going to change our minds and I think debating with you is a waste of my time.

You come from a very privileged position if you think that vulnerable women and children are safer under the labour party than under the conservatives.

The truth is that neither party is vote worthy.

But 4000% upturn in girls in the UK seeking treatment from gender clinics, many of whom are autistic like my daughter , or have other mental health issues or are looked after, deserve a government that doesn't put them on an affirmation pathway and call talk therapy conversion,

I think you and your friends should start talking more about the party you support and the way it will treat vulnerable women and children if it gets into power.

At least with the Tory's we know their shortcomings and can be honest about them.

@lifeturnsonadime

You come from a very privileged position if you think that vulnerable women and children are safer under the labour party than under the conservatives.

The truth is that neither party is vote worthy.

But 4000% upturn in girls in the UK seeking treatment from gender clinics, many of whom are autistic like my daughter , or have other mental health issues or are looked after, deserve a government that doesn't put them on an affirmation pathway and call talk therapy conversion,

I think you and your friends should start talking more about the party you support and the way it will treat vulnerable women and children if it gets into power.

At least with the Tory's we know their shortcomings and can be honest about them.

Whatever. You know nothing about me. As I said, I'm not prepared to rise to anything you have to say. It's a waste of my time.

His words were important it will open the door to discussions with out feeling like a judgemental phobic.

If the world is changing then services will have to be provided to accommodate those who identify as a different gender from birth.

Not womens safe spaces, we've sacrificed enough in life accommodating men for centuries.

Given the recent thread about children safety in Bristol I find myself even more grateful for those strong women who pushed the Prime Minister in to siding with reality yesterday.

The sooner the idea that ‘inclusivity’, sometimes including morally repugnant fetishes, must come before all else, including the safeguarding of women and children

I bet his Advisers read MN.

He and they know very well how to catch votes.

Remains to be seen if he stands by all this when Tories are elected again. I doubt it.

I actually think he’s just calling bullshit where he finds it.

Life long Labour voter here. I’ll vote for Boris based on this.

I'm not prepared to rise to anything you have to say. It's a waste of my time.

No empathy for autistic children like my daughter who are being caught up as props for men who can declare they are trans without mutilating their bodies to gain access to everything women have?

You may not want to listen to the harm that will be done by the Labour Party if it gets in to power but in my daughter's demographic the risk is huge.

Sterilising autistic girls. How very progressive.

As I said I don't think I know any women who'll feel that they can vote Tory on the basis of self ID. Thankfully.

You wouldn't know if they do because they aren't going to speak openly about it with you. That's another problem with castigating everyone who disagrees as lesser and unworthy humans.

Do you guys want to win, or do you just want to feel superior?

@DeeCeeCherry

I bet his Advisers read MN.

He and they know very well how to catch votes.

Remains to be seen if he stands by all this when Tories are elected again. I doubt it.

This 100%

This bunch of Tories are an absolute s#it show of liars and crooked w*ankers.

Quite how this one thing has swayed so many women is both astonishing and depressing.

I've a family of women and none will be voting Tory.

I can't fund the news article, I'll have another search.
The basis of the story was woman raped in all female hospital ward, staff insisted that the rape couldn't happen as all women, a year later hospital admitted one woman was a trans woman on the ward.
I assumed that was the reason for Boris Johnson speaking out.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10625997/Hospital-said-rape-single-sex-ward-not-possible-revealing-one-patient-trans.html

Remains to be seen if he stands by all this when Tories are elected again. I doubt it.

Stands by what? His statement of biological fact?

Quite how this one thing has swayed so many women is both astonishing and depressing.

I'm a bit taken aback by how little women seem to understand the implications of labours desire to define them out of existence. It is a huge relief to hear someone with power talk sense and acknowledge biological reality.

Or are you happy for people and policy to have decided women can have penises?

Remains to be seen if he stands by all this when Tories are elected again. I doubt it.

Stands by what? His statement of biological fact?

Yesh, i keep seeing this and I don’t understand what he won’t stand by….hes not actually DONE anything, I doubt very much he is going to back down on a purely factual statement

@lifeturnsonadime

As I said I don't think I know any women who'll feel that they can vote Tory on the basis of self ID. Thankfully.

I think you probably do in reality.

People don't talk about things like this much irl. Because NO DEBATE.

Exactly this. Firstly I don’t discuss who I vote for and secondly because I can’t risk it in my job so no debate for me. However now that Boris, the PM has spoken out I can. And I see Javid has spoken out too about the NHS.

Quite how this one thing has swayed so many women is both astonishing and depressing

Do you understand why for many of us, ita depressing that you are quite happy to vote Labour. Knowing what they will do to women. Knowing how that will harm gay women, abused women, raped women. That you won't even question it.

Many of us are in the fence the whole 'well I don't care and those of you that do are pathetic/depressing/are so easily swayed/can't think for yourseleves' isn't really going to bring g anyone to your side.

As I have said loads of times. As it stands I can vote Labour and throw my gay daughter under the bus. Or vote tory and throw my disabled partner under the bus. And honestly, the more people say my gay daughter (and her mental health and freedom to be same sex attracted) doesn't matter, the more I want to stand up for her.

Have a reasoned debate. Open your min up to the fact that this shouldn't be an easy decision, for anyone. Rather than just bitching about people who do see its more than just one issue.

I'm a bit taken aback by how little women seem to understand the implications of labours desire to define them out of existence.

They think it's just about toilets.

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer

Remains to be seen if he stands by all this when Tories are elected again. I doubt it.

Stands by what? His statement of biological fact?

Yesh, i keep seeing this and I don’t understand what he won’t stand by….hes not actually DONE anything, I doubt very much he is going to back down on a purely factual statement

Isn't it because his statement will (allegedly) form the basis of a government strategy for the LGBT+ community.

So I agree that he's not actually done anything. It remains to be seen if he will actually do anything either. But a great sound bite at a time when he really needs to turn the Boris PR bus around.

@lifeturnsonadime
And what evidence can you present that Labour has ever really treated women as equal to me? . Trade Unions are traditionally boys clubs and it's pretty telling that in spite the fact that there have been strong candidates , there has never been a female leader of the labour party. Whereas the Conservatives have had 2 female prime ministers

I would argue that Labours Barbara Castle did more to improve womens rights than Thatcher and May ever did, unless you think that destroying communities and a hostile environment helped women?

But 4000% upturn in girls in the UK seeking treatment from gender clinics, many of whom are autistic like my daughter , or have other mental health issues or are looked after, deserve a government that doesn't put them on an affirmation pathway and call talk therapy conversion

Nothing absolutely nothing BJ said is going to change this, which is happening under a Tory Govt.

Your reply would be "ah but it would be worse under Labour" but you don't know that because you don't know what their manifesto will say, Reeve appears to signalling the change in Labours POV, who went far further than BJ.

Aside, i don't know a single person who cares about this in RL, my DD worked with trans in a MH setting (nhs), she has upmost sympathy and in no way feels threatened by trans, what she does feel threatened by is the cuts to the NHS, the staff shortages, the maternity scandals, the delays in treatments, the unnecessary cancer deaths (which are horrific) the poverty facing millions of children and primarily their female carers & then there's heating or eating crisis...

You should know more than anyone the cuts to Camhs and other childrens services (unless your so well off you can afford private)

So I agree that he's not actually done anything. It remains to be seen if he will actually do anything either.

Not doing anything would be infinitely preferable to the changes Labour are proposing, so that would still be beneficial.

I guess even a stopped Boris is right twice a day....