I agree with Boris

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trib.al/ov5g0nj I can’t stand the throes but agree with this

So one soundbite from our opportunistic PM is going to excuse 12 years of misgovernment?

The truth is not a sound bite.

This is the Labour Party's fault.

It is on them to commit to retaining women's rights if they want to have any chance of being electable.

It's a soundbite because he's an opportunistic self serving liar who's pretending he gives a shit about any policy which doesn't directly benefit him and his cronies.

What he said about women is not a lie though.

It's Labour who are lying by pretending that men can be women.

It is Labour who is intent on destroying women's rights by introducing Self ID.

FWIW I know that Mr Johnson is a habitual liar , it is a fairly common theme in politicians.

I'm furious with the Labour Party about this issue. They ought to be positioning themselves to actually run the country but instead they are turning off 51% of the voting population because they want to appease lobby groups by destroying women's rights in favour of Self ID.

Frankly I can't trust them on any issue when they DON"T CARE about the impact of self ID on the most vulnerable women in society.

They deserve to have it handed to them on a plate in an election for fucking it up so badly. As a nation we NEED a viable opposition party. Instead we have a group of dick pandering misogynists.

Am certain the women in prison, locked up with rapists are thrilled by your concern for them
Also those women who need rape crisis centres to be women only

Under 12 years of the Tories you mean?

And women locked up with rapists and the situation with rape crisis centres have happened under the Conservative party's watch

And that would get immeasurably and irreversibly worse under Labour

Really? Labour tend to spend more on public services, remember it was the Tories that gave us 12 years of Austerity, under all measures, spending on the prisons and justice system have collapsed, its takes 3 years for a women raped today to have her day in court (in the vanishing small chance it ever gets that far... again under the Tories)

And as said, until we see the Labour, Tory and LD manifestos in 2 years time, no one knows what each parties position will... all we have is their record.

And as said, until we see the Labour, Tory and LD manifestos in 2 years time, no one knows what each parties position will be

True. However I think people might find it hard to forget Starmer struggling with questions of basic biology. We are in no doubt around how the Labour Party see women and what a priority we are to them.

The truth is not a sound bite.

Exactly.

As for the lying... does anyone believe that Keir Starmer really doesn't know what a woman is? Or is he lying? I expect he'd know what a woman was 'for relationship purposes' (like any heterosexual man, however much of an ally they claim to be).

@lifeturnsonadime

Forgive if i am wrong but aren't the Tories going to still allow self ID ? one with a nominal fee and medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria and they are opening up 3 gender clinics in order to reduce waiting lists.

So whilst current Govt policy is based on the 2004 act, its not as if the Tories are removing the act of self ID, the way many posters are behaving, one would think BJ has said they are scrapping the GRA.

Alexandra are you talking about the GRA?

That needs repealing in it's entirety because it has allowed a legal fiction which has enabled all of this nonsense.

Making for process of obtaining a GRC more straightforward is not nearly as harmful as full on SELF ID though.

The fact that Mr Johnson has been able to state what JKR has previously stated without the death threats paves the way for respectful discussion. The era of no - debate is over.

I am thankful to the PM for that. Someone needed to say it.

I suspect this stance by Labour will come back to haunt them during the run up to the GE. Even if they were clearer on this particular issue the Labour Party of today dont seem clear on very much, Brexit, who is a women etc?

The Shadow Front Bench seem totally out of their depth and if Starmer resigned who would take over? In the run up to the last election the Labour supporters were on here stating if only Starmer had been in charge he would have walked it. Well he is in charge and is making as big a mess as Corbyn did.

I cannot think he wants to continue like this. Its career destroying and god knows who would take over from him. I have always liked Cooper but she doesnt want it. Having said that why dont Labour swap Starmer for Raynor. Then they would definitely lose - badly....

@lifeturnsonadime Yes GRA thats it...

The fact that Mr Johnson has been able to state what JKR has previously stated without the death threats paves the way for respectful discussion. The era of no - debate is over

Disgusting isn't it? JKR as should anyone be able to express an opinion without death threats.
If BJ has indeed opened up the debate, then fair enough but i doubt it, people have very entrenched views.

My opinion is "wait and see" because the BJ is not rolling back anything at all, he isn't proposing to change what is happening right now, he wont reopen single sex nhs wards, fund womens prisons, reopen rape crisis centres or change men racing against women.

Lets see what Labour actually plan on doing rather than speculation? their position seems to be one of evolution!

So as the GRA isn't being repealed or even amended, i don't really see the "i'm voting Tory now" mania.

@Franklin12 Exactly Entrenched views !!!
For you it doesn't matter if Labour were clear on Trans issues, they'll always be something else to beat them with, no leader is good enough and you want them to lose whatever their policies or whatever the Tories do.

Some Tories would vote for a Donkey if it had a Blue rosette on it!

The only thing i know at this point in the electoral cycle is i won't be voting Tory, unless they moved away from the far right and went back to being the One nation party they used to be.

The Shadow Front Bench seem totally out of their depth and if Starmer resigned who would take over?

Rachel Reeves, she’s good. I disagree that they’re out of their depth, I’d definitely agreed if you’d said it about Corbyn’s shadow cabinet. If Rayner returned to the back benches it would be greatly improved.

I’m struggling to see how anyone would think Johnson’s cabinet isn’t out of its depth, given that they were all appointed for their Brexit credentials as opposed to any talent, ability or intellect and don’t seem able to remember their own laws.

@Fairislefandango

The truth is not a sound bite.

Exactly.

As for the lying... does anyone believe that Keir Starmer really doesn't know what a woman is? Or is he lying? I expect he'd know what a woman was 'for relationship purposes' (like any heterosexual man, however much of an ally they claim to be).

Then why doesn't he say woman = ahf?

Is he scared to say it? Then who needs a scared man running the country?

Does he truly believe? Great but I vehemently disagree.

Is he being compelled? So who wants the country run by someone open to blackmail?

Is someone paying him? Again who wants a sellout running the country?

Why is he lying about what a woman is
Any reason I can think of means he is not fit to run a country.
What do you know about why he lies?

So who wants the country run by someone open to blackmail?

Quite. So why would you vote Tory?

I can't believe I am saying this but I agree with Boris too!

@Blossomtoes

So who wants the country run by someone open to blackmail?

Quite. So why would you vote Tory?

Agreed!

The bottom line for me is that Johnson has spoken the truth and he is smoking out the lunatics in Labour at the same time.

If Labour rise to the challenge and talk sense, biology and common sense people will vote for them too.

But will they change their tune? That is what I will be watching. If they don't and continue to talk rings around the subject they obviously do not want to be re elected any time soon.

Yes they will be castigated for vote chasing if they decide to respect women and science, but as long as they lose their batshittery it will be a start. Johnson must know they won't though for obvious reasons. Hence they are dead in the water. For now...

Keir also got lockdown wrong imo. He was anti the July 2021 lifting of restrictions and was pro a December 2021 lockdown. Both decisions that Boris got right.
He was also wrong to go for a second referendum in the December 2019 election.
And he’s wrong about this too.
I have no doubt he is a nice person but I just don’t think he is politically astute or has good political antenna and although we were constantly told what s grown up he is and how “forensic” I just don’t see it.
He is capable of being strong however and standing up to the hard left of the party ( he was pretty ruthless with corbyn after pretending he thought corbyn would make s marvellous PM) but on this issue he fudges pleasing nobody. His response to everything the government does is “too little too late” , but doesn’t say what he would do instead. He’s literally just said this again in response to today’s energy announcement. It’s comical.

I'm beginning to wonder if Labour, having looked at what's happened over the last three years with leaving the EU, a global pandemic and now a war in Ukraine have gone 'no thanks' as 1) its too much like hard work and 2) we don't have the relevant skills or experience.

They have subsequently had a 'brain storming' session on how best to kill off their chances in the next election. Having already done 'fence sitting' in 2016 & 2019 they couldn't use that again so, they have hit on the idea that as a party they will deny the science and send Keir Starmer out there to tell the whole country that women can have penises, that should do it.

There is quite a long history to how we got into the position of asking if a woman can have a penis. The erosion of women's rights has accelerated in recent years under the conservative government who, I think naively, thought they were avoiding the mistakes of section 28 when they proposed a consultation with a view to implementing self ID. It could easily have been passed with little comment but many organisations were busy implementing Stonewall law which meant the impact of self ID could be observed before the law had been debated or passed and gave women the evidence to push back.

The Conservatives made a massive mistake which they are now trying to rectify. This week the EHRC has released new guidance on providing single sex services, it's written in accordance with the EA 2010 and not Stonewall Law. Single sex spaces and services are entirely lawful. Transwomen (even those with a GRC) can be excluded from women only spaces and services if it is a "proportionate means to a legitimate aim".

It's a small thing, coming rather late in the day, however, it is more reassuring than the political parties who don't appear to know what biological sex is and will bully those who do or tell us they don't want our vote.

My opinion is "wait and see" because the BJ is not rolling back anything at all, he isn't proposing to change what is happening right now, he wont reopen single sex nhs wards, fund womens prisons, reopen rape crisis centres or change men racing against women.

It's not wait and see. The EHRC has issued guidance on how organisations can use EXISTING laws to meet single sex provisions.

If the NHS still fail to meet legal requirements then I reckon a bit of crowd funding might work to put them to task on that in a court of law.

Lets see what Labour actually plan on doing rather than speculation? their position seems to be one of evolution!

Labour committed to reforming the GRA to implement self ID in their last manifesto, as did the LibDems and the Greens. They have restated that committment many times since. They are doubling down not evolving.

What I am confused about is why posters like Blossom think that this is the fault of Boris Johnson. You may not like him but HE Is not responsible for the failings of the opposition to make vote winning policies.

Exactly this. If Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens are prepared to throw women under the bus and erase our rights in law by pandering to a tiny minority of biological males then they can fuck right off. If they continue to threaten the safety of women and children with self ID and the removal of single sex spaces then they can't be trusted with anything. I sincerely hope they rethink their stance before the General Election because if they don't they deserve their arses handing to them. I'll be hoping they're completely annihilated and then hopefully we can finally get a decent opposition.

I'll be hoping they're completely annihilated and then hopefully we can finally get a decent opposition.

This is where I'm up to with it all. The parties who think they can ignore women's voices need a serious fucking lesson in how much they need our votes and we need an opposition party capable of holding the party of government to account. I'm less concerned about which party plays which role I would just like some competence and integrity from all of them.

@ThreeRingCircus

What I am confused about is why posters like Blossom think that this is the fault of Boris Johnson. You may not like him but HE Is not responsible for the failings of the opposition to make vote winning policies.

Exactly this. If Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens are prepared to throw women under the bus and erase our rights in law by pandering to a tiny minority of biological males then they can fuck right off. If they continue to threaten the safety of women and children with self ID and the removal of single sex spaces then they can't be trusted with anything. I sincerely hope they rethink their stance before the General Election because if they don't they deserve their arses handing to them. I'll be hoping they're completely annihilated and then hopefully we can finally get a decent opposition.

I agree with you. I’m not sure they will reverse on this however.