To be finished with voting Tory

[Viviennemary]

I've voted Tory in the last couple of elections. Didn't like Corbyn and thought Keir Stammer was a bit feeble. But after that smug performance by Sunak I am totally not going to vote Tory for a very long time. We are now in a position not to be affected too much by recent rises. Not always been that way of course. I wonder if others are feeling the same. But the lack of any sort of help for less well off people makes me absolutely sick. And all decided by a multi millionaire.

@MarshaBradyo

I’m not ready to throw away rights so easily. Not mine and not dd’s

Especially if Labour win and bring in Self ID it will be very hard to reverse.

You either don't know what Labour have said recently or aren't interested, i suspect the latter.

ALL parties are allowing self ID, both parties now say they want to protect womens spaces etc but one of these parties is led by a proven liar......

Recently?

Rayner just doubled down on typical Labour stance today.

Many post they want to see a change in direction from Labour. I very much doubt it will happen.

Take a look at the threads in feminism and see the reactions and on other media too - Labour isn’t doing well from this.

marsha

I cut n pasted what Reeves said a few days ago and Starmer backed her up a day or so later.

Its about 4 posts back..... and in this sky article too...

I would be interested on what you think.

news.sky.com/story/doesnt-make-sense-to-ask-men-if-they-are-pregnant-before-a-scan-says-health-secretary-12578887

Ok I’ve read it

He said that "for the vast majority of women, what matters is biology" but added that, regarding those who are born into a gender they do not identify with: "I don't want to stand in the way of supporting and respecting those who find themselves in that position."

It lacks clarity, what do those two lines together mean in practise?

A simple, clear statement and a position on Self ID would be good too.

I think for many the horse has bolted though and Rayner reacted today showing Labour’s position.

I think people will do what they always do in elections and vote for whatever is best for their family unit. It’s certainly the reason a lot of people here voted Tory in 2019 - low(er) taxes were the prime reason. Johnson has shot his bolt on that one, whatever he says.

People who are frightened about the cost of living will vote according to whichever party is going to help them most. The vast majority of people don’t care a rat’s arse about women’s rights - and that’s at any time but especially if they can’t feed their kids or heat their home.

ALL parties are allowing self ID, both parties now say they want to protect womens spaces etc but one of these parties is led by a proven liar......

How can Labour protect women's spaces if they don't know what a woman is? Keir Starmer said it's wrong to say only women have a cervix, so he clearly pretends he doesn't know what a woman is.

[quote MadnessOfHamsters]@Blossomtoes it matters to me that those poor children are not sterilised/have decades taken off their lifespan purely because an ideology has taken hold of the ones who are supposed to help them.

It matters to me that those pensioners aren’t forced into a mixed sex ward and raped, while the hospital whistles and claims there are no men in there so it didn’t happen.

Also of those things you have listed are important. But to me (and many others it seems) it is more important that we retain the right for vulnerable women and children to safety, dignity, privacy and even for it to be acknowledged that they exist and are disadvantaged because of biological differences.

Once that is lost it will not be won back easily or even within our lifetimes.

I will NOT be told that women need to just keep it shut, and wait our turn patiently until all the other world problems are solved first before we get to us. And I’m sick of being told that the problems in the UK are down to people voting Tory, and not the fact that Labour have made themselves absolutely irrelevant to the majority of the country and downright dangerous to women.

I will vote Tory.

If Labour wants my vote, and if they give a shiny shit about any of those problems you just listed, then THEY can abandon the fringe activist cranks, stand up and be honest about reality, and actually stand a chance of sniffing power again.[/quote]
I'll never vote Tory.

But I read your earlier post, and I can't blame anyone for voting for whichever candidate has demonstrably made the best effort and changes for you in your personal circumstances.

It really doesn't help to demonise all Tory voters as evil puppy killers who steal fivers from orphans to blow their noses on. You will never persuade anyone to your line of thinking if you believe their only reason for feeling differently is that they're Bad And Stupid. It's not a particularly intelligent reasoning process itself.

Thing is, even if you do change your vote, the perception that the cost of living crisis, prices, housing, which all need serious attention won't be reversed. By the time the next election comes, the pain will have arrived and be fully baked in.

Change your vote - but these problems take a long time to address. And at best, it might change in 2024. That is a few years before the prospect of change. There is no way that any government, conservative or not would call an election early, not with this mess, so you'd be better off working out how to improve your circumstances that blaming people who vote Tory.

Frankly, quite a lot of these fairweather tories are going to suffer anyway from their stupidity and will be in the first in line to say the government should "do" something. They are timewasters who want something for nothing.

Concentrate on helping your community and family instead.

@Ionlydomassiveones

“The vast majority of people don’t care a rat’s arse about women’s rights - and that’s at any time but especially if they can’t feed their kids or heat their home.”

You’re wrong. And insulting.

What’s insulting about it? Go and do a quick survey in your local Tesco and see how many people think it’s an issue.

They've got my vote now they've acknowledged the woman's rights issue.

I have never, and will never, vote Tory.

They are morally bereft.

I think all Tory voters are BU.

@buttercrinkle

I have never, and will never, vote Tory.

They are morally bereft.

I think all Tory voters are BU.

Never sure whether posters know how they come across when they post waffle like this?

I assume they think it makes them look like they are ideologically pure, that they are ever so caring and just all round GOOD people.

Like when a naive young soul is horrified at animal testing and declares it is all evil, and they’d never hurt an animal and it should be banned.

No shades of grey. Just black and white. Good and bad. No further critical thinking or facts required.

It comes across to me as a woefully ignorant position. Most intelligent people I know change their voting pattern to adapt to changing policies/situations. And manage to understand that not everyone who disagrees with their approach is ‘morally bereft’.

I have voted Tory twice now and it's looking like I will again. YANBU I think you should vote who you feel at that time.

ExtraOnion

Then stop voting for individuals and whether or not you think they are “nice” or not - and start scrutinising policies

This!!!!! With extra great big bells on.

Like him or loathe him, Corbyns’ policies would have had a massive impact on social inequality.

@HeArInGhandsgirl11

I have voted Tory twice now and it's looking like I will again. YANBU I think you should vote who you feel at that time.

You shouldn’t be voting with feelings. Rational thought is much more helpful.

Vote for policies definitely. There was a website last election to help with this, which could tell you which party aligned most closely with you views, although I have to say that all of the choices felt woeful.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse it now emerges Sunak's wife is non dom for tax purposes and has escaped paying millions in tax. Just seen it on Sky news. And he's the man who is holding the country's purse strings and putting up taxes. Why should he care. His wife doesn't pay any tax.

Consider all the issues of the day and vote for whichever party you think best at the time. At the moment I prefer the Tories to the others on offer.

Sunak and wife are a pair of leeching fuckers. Hate them all. Why the fuck people still like the tories is beyond my comprehension. Utterly corrupt.

@Viviennemary

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse it now emerges Sunak's wife is non dom for tax purposes and has escaped paying millions in tax. Just seen it on Sky news. And he's the man who is holding the country's purse strings and putting up taxes. Why should he care. His wife doesn't pay any tax.

I'm not an expert on tax law but as she's an Indian and not a British citizen, doesnt that influence her non-dom status? Doesn't she pay uk tax on uk earnings and Indian tax on Indian earnings?

That is the most backwards logic I've ever heard.... This is what you sound like right now:

1. Oh Tories are in power and right now tory policies are allowing rapists to be put into womens prisons and hospitals....
2. I dont like rapists being put in womens prisons and hospitals
3. Oooh I know.... I'll keep voting tory so that they allow more rapists into womens prisons and hospitals
4. I'll blame labour for the tories putting rapists into womens hospitals and prisons even though labour aren't in power and so it's obviously not their fault and labour have no control over it
5. Thank god I dont have a brain to think for myself and I can just rely on the media that is owned by multi-billionaires like lord Rothermere to tell me what is best.

You realise you should vote for policies and not a person, right? If you dont know anything about politics then there are tons of online questionnaires that take 2 minutes to fill in and then tells you what political party policies align most closely with your own beliefs👍

Maybe common sense will slap you in the face and you'll realise that if you want a change in what is happening then you would need to vote for something different, but hey, I needed a good laugh today so cheers for that one😂😂😂👍

WELL SAID! It is a question of morals. If you vote for tory policies, you either have no morals or you have no idea what policies actually are. Voting for the person instead of the policies is clueless and foolish.

My thoughts exactly, user.