LGB vs LGBTQI etc

[Whoistheexpert]

Why was the T (and others) ever added to the LGB acronym?

The T (trans) is surely related to gender and not ones sexual orientation?

Am I missing something 😵‍💫

@OutsideVoice

Every time I read cis I cringe.

Same.

There's no privilege. I'm a gender non conforming woman. I'm not a "cis" woman. That term was made up by a peadophile so please don't use it.

Stop using the offensive term cis. There are no subsets of women however much the aggressive trans brigade tries to pretend. You can’t change sex. It’s would be laughable if it wasn’t so dangerous for women. You know like the woman who was raped in hospital which was denied because the staff went along with the pretence that a man can become a woman.

At one time some transwomen were included within the LGB by virtue of the fact that they were understood to be gay men, and things like discrimination against them was essentially a form of homophobia.

But this was before modern gender theory had taken hold.

The whole edifice of gender identity came much more recently, though I would say it is also related to a generalized acceptance of the idea that being gay or lesbian is fundamentally an identity, a type of person. So you can see that many groups like Stonewall or Pride organizations have become much more political overall, rather than representing a group of people's whose thoughts and interests may be quite disparate in terms of most social and political views.

@Clymene

*@Cheetocat* - as you say, you're not a member of the LGB community so I'm not sure why you're opining on something that doesn't affect you. Go and watch the telly or something.

I didn't say that, I said I was cis. It affects me, my future children, people I love, mentors of mine etc.. and the people with a negative view of the trans community are not being told to go watch telly, are they? It's okay for someone to have different views to you.

Do you want another cookie @Cheetocat?

@Cheetocat you are a woman. No need for unnecessary words.

Calling yourself "cis" is some serious handmaiden bullshit.

I'm an active part of an LGBT (mostly L) group IRL. We include and ard not threatened by transwomen. There is no talk of the cotton ceiling, and people are very welcome to say no and are not called transphobic. Some transwomen in my circle are dating cis women, some are dating other transwomenm and they are lesbians according to us and them. I have never, ever felt uncomfortable in a bathroom with them and for the most part, you wouldn't know. It's all very well being gender critical. I certainly have my thoughts. But being dismissive and scaremongering towards trans people does nothing but alienate them, as well as the vast majority of LGB people, including me, who welcome them. I was in an LGBT youth group in my younger teen years and we included the T then.

As we're talking about domestic violence, there's research that states that transwomen follow the same pattern of criminality as men. So just as likely as your avarage man to be involved in commiting violence.

Not the same pattern as women.

People are ok to have different views and opinions yes @Cheetocat. But when those views and opinions start to have a detrimental impact on the lives of women, that is where the problem lies.

[quote AllThingsServeTheBeam]@Cheetocat you are a woman. No need for unnecessary words.[/quote]
Yeah I'm a woman who's cis, it means I identify as the gender I was assigned at birth, it's not a dirty word.

I have never, ever felt uncomfortable in a bathroom with them and for the most part, you wouldn't know.

I don't believe you.

@bellinisurge

Calling yourself "cis" is some serious handmaiden bullshit.

That’s it! I’ve been trying to think of what this all reminds me of and it’s The Handmaids Tale. How utterly depressing. We’re going backwards whilst also moving forwards

" I have never, ever felt uncomfortable in a bathroom with them and for the most part, you wouldn't know."
Bully for you.

@OutsideVoice

Every time I read cis I cringe.

Same, it’s just embarrassing

You weren’t assigned a gender at birth! Hahaha. How did that happen? Your sex was observed.

Why won't people stop with the offensive 'cis'????
How many times does it have to be said? Rude and unnecessary
Quit please
Oh and it's not transphobic to stand up for women's rights so stop with that tired old trope

@Cheetocat . It is a dirty word. It offends me. A child rapist made it up.

Gender STEREOTYPE non conforming kids are given puberty blockers. some go on to have sex realignment surgery. These treatments makes those children sterile adults. This is eugenics, re marketed.

@Ijustreallywantacat this is exactly my experience too.

Furthermore all of the trans people I’ve spoken to are deeply uncomfortable with the term cotton ceiling, and the idea that people think they believe they are entitled to sex from anyone. This is reflected in my own and my community’s experience of trans people.

@bellinisurge

Calling yourself "cis" is some serious handmaiden bullshit.

No it's not, it's the opposite in fact, I'm confident in my identity and I'm not threatened by other women trying to get on with their lives whether they're cisgender or transgender. I said previously that it's a privilege to be cis, nobody would choose to suffer from dysphoria.

@Cheetocat you weren't assigned a gender at birth. That's total rot. You are a woman who is not a transwoman. So, a woman.

And 'assigned at birth'
FFS leave it out

There are a few trans voices who are brave enough to say they are still men (or women) - the sex they were OBSERVED as having at birth. But they are few and far between. It is the colonisers that are the loudest voices.