LGB vs LGBTQI etc

[Whoistheexpert]

Why was the T (and others) ever added to the LGB acronym?

The T (trans) is surely related to gender and not ones sexual orientation?

Am I missing something 😵‍💫

Lesbians have long been targeted by men, saying they just need a good shag, or asking them to kiss for them.
It’s no different now, except that wokesters are telling lesbians they’re bigots for not seeing these men as women.

Humans can’t change sex. A man will always be a man, and no woman should be forced to believe otherwise.

@OutsideVoice

This tripe? You’re missing the fact that this has affected many lesbians. Google the cotton ceiling. Trans women insisting they are women and should therefore have access to lesbians spaces and bodies is predatory and rapey as fuck.

Perhaps have some empathy that not every woman is comfortable in the presence of a man, no matter how he identifies.

This is simply scaremongering. There is no mass influx of transwomen demanding access to women's bodies FFS.

If anyone demands access to another person's body that is assault or rape, and would be dealt with as such in a criminal capacity.

Unfortunately (and I say that as it is my own community) lesbians are perfectly capable of criminal activity towards each other without transwomen being present. Why don't you look up some of the research?

Exactly @OutsideVoice . This "genital preference bullshit is just "I'll shag her straight" in 2022

@Cheetocat

also the lesbians I know are strong amazing women who I've never seen playing the victim because someone didn't agree with their preferences.

Nice. Would you say the poster’s cousin (up thread) who needed surgery after being punched for her ‘genital preferences’ was ‘playing the victim’? Have you had an empathy bypass or something?

Ah yes, the "do some research " position. Always a winner. Got bad news for you, the generation coming after you thinks this is all tedious bullshit

@bellinisurge

Ah yes, the "do some research " position. Always a winner. Got bad news for you, the generation coming after you thinks this is all tedious bullshit

So you're saying research is tedious bullshit.

Right, good to know what we're facing here.

Let's just make up some stories that we like instead shall we?

My Dd is Bi, she isn't keen on the Trans hijacking everything to do with LGBT.
She's gender critical but conflicted as so many of her friends are suddenly trans, or calling out transphobia if she dares eat the wrong lunch, it feels like.
Luckily she has me, and her BF who know it's Bellshill.

@OutsideVoice

I remember when lesbians could have lesbian spaces, now it’s prioritising the T, young lesbians are more likely to identify as NB or trans, and lesbian has become a dirty word, synonymous with bigot, so yes, there has been a huge negative effect on LGB communities, but many are too scared to speak out.

Lesbian groups have sadly gone underground again, secret groups online, few openly organised meet ups, because having a preference for biological women is now transphobic.

This is exactly what I have been wondering.

I don’t consider myself any sort of expert, but I am bi (just out of a LTR of 15y) and recently returned to the dating world and it feels like another planet where everything in the old ‘LGB’ space is given over to trans issues. Online just feels like a horrible troll-fest!

I have to admit to probably having been living under some sort of rock the last decade

So you're saying research is tedious bullshit

No, that’s not what she is saying

@suggestionsplease1 I've occasionally been slightly annoyed by lesbians not taking no for an answer but never felt threatened. That's the difference with men.

And men can't be lesbians.

@bellinisurge

It's a sexual preference not a genital preference. Due to a person's sexual orientation. Not their "genital orientation "

Not really, there's a huge amount of trans people in typical relationships with cis people that "match" their sexuality. For example transman + cis woman in a heterosexual relationship.

@suggestionsplease1 , you can find any research to fit your prejudices. Like the official stats on male sex offenders claiming to be trans to access women's prisons. The serious thing here is that evil like Karen White, will cause a backlash that will damage trans people.

transman + "cis" woman in a heterosexual relationship.
This is a lesbian couple
Also "cis" is a pejorative term.

@suggestionsplease1 it’s not scaremongering, the few young lesbians who are GC have horrific stories to tell.

Social media is full of TW doing exactly what you insist they don’t do.

Perhaps you need to expand your reading beyond the echo chamber - that’s what peaked many of us.

@Cheetocat - as you say, you're not a member of the LGB community so I'm not sure why you're opining on something that doesn't affect you. Go and watch the telly or something.

Interesting that so many of the original Stonewall founders have resigned.

This is simply scaremongering. There is no mass influx of transwomen demanding access to women's bodies FFS.

Does it need to be a ‘mass influx’ to matter? Is the insidious bullying of lesbians online or elsewhere just fine because it’s not happening to every lesbian everywhere?

If anyone demands access to another person's body that is assault or rape, and would be dealt with as such in a criminal capacity.

Not untrue but totally pointless as an argument. Whilst rape is a crime, it still happens, and certain attitudes make it more likely to happen. That’s what rape culture is: women’s boundaries being ignored or eroded.

Unfortunately (and I say that as it is my own community) lesbians are perfectly capable of criminal activity towards each other without transwomen being present. Why don't you look up some of the research?

Again - it may be true but it’s a pointless argument here. Women can sometimes hurt women, so why not let the men have a go too? [Answer: the men will cause more damage]

[quote EarlyModernEnglish]@Cheetocat

also the lesbians I know are strong amazing women who I've never seen playing the victim because someone didn't agree with their preferences.

Nice. Would you say the poster’s cousin (up thread) who needed surgery after being punched for her ‘genital preferences’ was ‘playing the victim’? Have you had an empathy bypass or something?[/quote]
If that actually happened, then it's very sad but you know what's way more common? Domestic abuse and that's typically carried out by cis men. I'm not brushing off what people have gone through, it's just not the norm, it's not a common case.

"If that actually happened" - what happened to "I believe her"

Trans man (female) + woman (female) = lesbian couple. This is not a heterosexual relationship

The research mentioned about lesbian criminals - I’m wondering if it was the DV study which found that lesbians were highly likely to be victims of DV? What they failed to detail (because I imagine rules of misogyny prevented it) were the stats that showed the DV was from previous, male partners.

I'm not brushing off what people have gone through, it's just not the norm, it's not a common case.

You really, really are.

Yes, men carry out domestic abuse. Enough of the whataboutery.

A man also carried on the attack that poster recounted. So what’s new?

Every time I read cis I cringe.

@bellinisurge

transman + "cis" woman in a heterosexual relationship. This is a lesbian couple Also "cis" is a pejorative term.

I'm a cis woman though, there's a lot of privilege that comes with being able to say that.

@OutsideVoice

The research mentioned about lesbian criminals - I’m wondering if it was the DV study which found that lesbians were highly likely to be victims of DV? What they failed to detail (because I imagine rules of misogyny prevented it) were the stats that showed the DV was from previous, male partners.

Can you demonstrate this please?

There are dozens of studies in this area now, have they all made the same mistake?