LGB vs LGBTQI etc

[Whoistheexpert]

Why was the T (and others) ever added to the LGB acronym?

The T (trans) is surely related to gender and not ones sexual orientation?

Am I missing something 😵‍💫

Trans people pre 2015 didn’t insist that they had changed sex.

In some circles the trans movement is basically gay conversion therapy. Think your child might be gay, don't worry we can cure that by changing their gender.

The trans movement are pushing teenage girls, who may well be lesbians, into transition. They are telling lesbians that they are Transphobia because they don't like penises.

I feel extremely sorry for the trans people who just wanted to get on with their lives, but the trans movement today cannot be said to be friends with LGB.

LGB'T' has been a thing as long as I've been B, and yes, another who is sick of GC people trying to rewrite history to suit their own agenda.

T has only been part of the LGB community if the trans person was gay. As in "born male and attracted to males" regardless of how they present themselves

“ The only 'arguments' I recall against gay people were along the lines of 'oooh yucky'”

Astounding.
In a strange way I am sort of glad that there are now some people who believe this - it shows that we have progressed somewhat as a society.

But, if you ever require a reality check then please feel free to research history and facts.

modern transphobia is basically recycled homophobia,

Completely disagree with this. Transphobia, as I’m sure you’re aware, is an accusation now levelled at anyone who dares to raise the importance of sex-based rights for women (safe spaces, etc) or to question gender ideology, a belief for which there is no scientific basis (unlike homosexuality, which is completely different). It is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

@StillWeRise’s questions are very valid.

Also, FWIW, there are many LGB people are rightly offended by the belief that a man self-ID-ing as a woman can, for example, call himself a lesbian. Trans ideology is based on a set of regressive gender stereotypes; being a woman or a man is not a feeling or a state of mind. I am fed up with seeing people denounced as “transphobic” for stating the bloody obvious.

@StillWeRise

I'd like instead to hear a coherent argument as to what common interests there are between gay men, lesbians, bisexual people and trans people. I can see that SOME LGB people are gender non conforming. However some straight people are also gender non conforming. So that's a pretty tenuous reason.

The feminism boards here are generally pretty transphobic but even they note there can be crossover and a complex picture when they refer to detransitioning natal females who later feel that lesbian ID fits better for them than transman.

Kicking those people out of the community during the time they originally identified as trans would be deeply harmful for them.

I remember when lesbians could have lesbian spaces, now it’s prioritising the T, young lesbians are more likely to identify as NB or trans, and lesbian has become a dirty word, synonymous with bigot, so yes, there has been a huge negative effect on LGB communities, but many are too scared to speak out.

Lesbian groups have sadly gone underground again, secret groups online, few openly organised meet ups, because having a preference for biological women is now transphobic.

“ Kicking those people out of the community during the time they originally identified as trans would be deeply harmful for them.”

The problem isn’t trans people being kicked out, the problem is that women’s boundaries have been reframed as transphobic.

Tbh the T is periodised way above the needs of women, whether they are lesbian, bi, or straight.

Transmen are transmen. Transwomen are transwomen.

@OutsideVoice

“ Kicking those people out of the community during the time they originally identified as trans would be deeply harmful for them.”

The problem isn’t trans people being kicked out, the problem is that women’s boundaries have been reframed as transphobic.

Tbh the T is periodised way above the needs of women, whether they are lesbian, bi, or straight.

Is it what some people want to happen. And it is what some people are making happen. Look at the post immediately above your own.

@Whoistheexpert

And don’t the LGB community feel they’ve been hijacked now by the intense / constant focus on trans politics?

Aibu to ask this?

Yes we do. But apparently recognising that sexual orientation & gender identity are, very much, not the same thing makes a person transphobic. Even though a section of the T is actually homophobic, I'm supposed to accept it.

If lesbians are called transphobic for not wanting to have sex with someone with a dick, how is that good and progressive?

@suggestionsplease1 do you mean the post I wrote?
About lesbians being pushed out of their own spaces because men identifying as women have pushed their way in?

@bellinisurge

If lesbians are called transphobic for not wanting to have sex with someone with a dick, how is that good and progressive?

Good God, this tripe again.

Very nice that your not threatened by the presence of a dick when you are vulnerable. Is someone who is threatened a transphobe?

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

LGB'T' has been a thing as long as I've been B, and yes, another who is sick of GC people trying to rewrite history to suit their own agenda.

Well when I came out to my mum in 1982 it wasn't. When we had women only nights, they were women of the cunty kind. Women meant adult human females, not anyone who identifies as a woman which is what it means now.

I have nothing in common with transwomen. Nothing.

Transmen, sure. And I do know women who have transitioned. I still think of them as women

Why is that tripe @suggestionsplease1 ? Does it never happen?

It's a sexual preference not a genital preference. Due to a person's sexual orientation. Not their "genital orientation "

This tripe?
You’re missing the fact that this has affected many lesbians.
Google the cotton ceiling.
Trans women insisting they are women and should therefore have access to lesbians spaces and bodies is predatory and rapey as fuck.

Perhaps have some empathy that not every woman is comfortable in the presence of a man, no matter how he identifies.

@Cheetocat

I'm cis but I'm part of tonnes of lgbtqia+/ally online communities and also have a range of friends and family in the community, plus I'm on the ace spectrum, people say we're not real either. I have to say, this forum has the highest amount of terfs/transphobia that I've ever seen in one place, I look at the list of topics in absolute shock. I have never felt threatened by trans women or insecure about the definition of "woman" changing or whatever.

Hurrah for you! Have a

I started university in the early 90s and it was LGB society by the mid 90s the T was added to the society but those who were T were different to the people I see now joining the university societies. The addition of T was predominately for highly effeminate gay men and drag queens back then and there were very few Trans people actually involved, it wasn’t about transvestism or being ‘valid’ and certainly wasn’t about lesbians with penises or being straight and gender non conforming

Gender critical people such as me hate gender stereotypes. But we know that sometimes your biological sex matters. And you are disadvantaged or threatened because of it.