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AIBU?

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DP Stops Me From Helping Others

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MySaturday · 22/03/2022 11:05

I like to think that I am a pretty generous spirit and will offer to help people out when I feel I am able to, even if it inconveniences me (within reason).
I always put my family's needs first and would not offer to do anything that causes them unreasonable disruption, but find that DP gets into a massive sulk if I offer to assist anyone in a way that could possibly disrupt usual service (I do all of the cooking, most of the housework and we share childcare duties but I do more because I work PT).

For example, I am on a list of people to take care of a friend's 2YO when she goes into labour with second child. This could happen soon and DP has just started worrying that we might have to take 2YO overnight (even though this is very unlikely and I have said that I will do everything and expect nothing from him if that is the case). This is quite an extreme example, he has sulked over far less.

He is always volunteering me to bake things for family get togethers, give lifts to people (he does not drive) and I always accommodate these things the best I can.
I genuinely can't work out who is being unreasonable here - so please let me know your thoughts!

YABU - you should not offer assistance to others
YANBU - if it is causing DP minimal disruption he shouldn't sulk over it

OP posts:
FinallyHere · 22/03/2022 17:43

I genuinely don't believe he is trying to control me. I should be clear that he does not actually stop me from doing what I want to do, I just get a bit fed up at being met with a wall of sulking (even if it is through anxiety) every time I am trying to help others on my own terms.

This is an interesting example of it really not mattering a jolt what you believe.

It honestly sounds as if you change your behaviour, or at least would want to change your behaviour to avoid his sulking.

You say how long the sulking lasts. It is actually not long, I will reassure him that I have taken measures so that things don't inconvenience him and then generally he stops.

Sounds a lot like changing your behaviours to stop him sulking to me. If he didn't sulk, you wouldn't 'take those measures'

Don't get me wrong, partners, people in a healthy relationship can and do adjust themselves around each other. He doesn't seem to be able to communicate other than just by sulking til he gets his own way.

Really not attractive is it?

Likewise, he "stops you doing things for your friends and accepts requests for you to do things for his circle without checking with you".

If that isn't an attempt to change your behaviour ...

Your thread would not be the first time someone posts in MN something and then are surprised , maybe even horrified how other people see something that seems ok to them, because they have got used to it. Even expected, as you say you did, mostly people to expect you to prioritise your partner.

I would encourage you to read this several times and take some time to see how it chimes with your experience.

To take just one example, I am usually pretty happy to be asked to do things and delighted to help. But if someone offered my services, without checking with me, in the way you have described, there is just no chance that I would do it, whatever it was.

Because I really do need to be involved in those kind of questions. Even at work, my boss would always ask me to do something, not tell someone else that I will do something. It's a courtesy because I am an independent adult

There is every sign from what you have written that he uses sulking to control you.

Telling us that he doesn't mean to etc matters nothing. What matters is that you change your behaviour in response to his sulks.

That's controlling.

And as for your original question, he doesn't actually begrudge using your time to help people, so long as they are people he has agreed to 'allow' you to help. It's only people you have chosen to help that he begrudges that help (and potential to build your network of help in future when you might need it)

It's really up to you what you do with this information. I'd encourage you to accept it in the spirit of curiosity, consider whether there might be a point.

What happens, for instance, if you say no to him. Does he shrug, say that's a pity and continue his way rejoicing ? Or does he sulk until you comply? Can you think of an example when you have said no to him?

It's a really interesting thing to do, early in any relationship to see what happens.

MySaturday · 22/03/2022 18:00

@Monr0e

You still haven't said what the inconvenience is, only that it upsets his routine. In what way? Tea not ready at the usual time? He is late for a hobby he does regularly? Without knowing it is hard to say if you are being inconsiderate or not
It would be something like dinner not cooked or not being able to have shower / get ready in the morning in the exact same way as usual. Nothing big to most people, but without lots of planning this can be quite difficult for DP.
OP posts:
PinkArt · 22/03/2022 18:09

When it comes to the basics of cooking / housework - yes he should learn. He actually feels sheepish about not being able to cook and I constantly insist that it is fine. Maybe I should see what he suggests about learning. Perhaps a regular recipe box thingy so he has clear instructions to follow and everything weighed out ready - that could be a good start? When he asks what needs doing around the house I could give him the appropriate equipment and let him get on with it instead of expecting him to guess how best to do things he has never been expected to do before?
If I hadn't read the rest of your thread, I'd assume you were talking about a pre-teen here. Perhaps someone in their last year of primary/ start of secondary who is learning to become more independent. It doesn't remotely read like you are describing an adult who is old enough to have been in a relationship for 14 years. I won't jump on the 'he's abusive' bandwagon but PLEASE take a look at your relationship dynamic here as between this and the use of 'stops' in yor thread title, it sounds like it's all quite unhealthy in a way you perhaps aren't fully seeing.

diddl · 22/03/2022 18:13

"but without lots of planning this can be quite difficult for DP."

What planning does he need to do?

"Nothing big to most people"-has he taken any steps to try to make it nothing to him also, or is he just happy to keep on sulking?

Realistically, how much of your time is taken up helping others?

MySaturday · 22/03/2022 18:14

Examples of basic things that I have done to help people recently (so you can all see that I am not exactly a martyr!)

  • I bought extra items to donate to a collection for Ukrainian refugees at DP's workplace and delivered them because there was too much for him to carry easily on the bus. He was worried that people in his work would think I was making a big deal by turning up with stuff (they didn't) even though they had arranged the collection and he had sent me the details.
  • offered to take friend's child to and from our childminder (same CM as DC) whilst she was recovering from major surgery and said I would look after child at home for a couple of hours if her husband couldn't finish work early on some days.
  • offered to look after a friend's child so that he could attend a growth scan / consultation with his partner
  • during lockdown I did some shopping for an elderly neighbour
  • I cook several meals a week (usually 5 dinners) for an elderly relative of his

So you can see, these aren't exactly massive acts of kindness! They are little things that help people out when they really need it.

OP posts:
MySaturday · 22/03/2022 18:17

Recent example of me saying no:

DP told his grandmother that I should be able to give her a lift to the bank on my day off, but I had made plans already. I explained this and it was no big deal, SIL took her the next day instead.

OP posts:
Monr0e · 22/03/2022 18:17

Thanks for clarifying. Unfortunately it does seem to reinforce the idea that he is inconvenienced by you not being able to see to his needs. Most adults would be able to sort out a meal for themselves and not have an issue with their partner not preparing something for them. Or saying, I'll be late home tomorrow, can you sort tea out for once.

You seem certain this is because of mental health issues rather than controlling issues, and you know him whereas no one on here does. However I do think it's a good idea to start saying no a bit more and telling him he needs to get more help for his issues. After 14 years it seems ingrained you to not rock the boat or upset his "routine" How on earth does he cope with an unpredictable toddler?

I'd be telling him I was going away for the weekend, or even taking up a hobby every thursday night. Would he support you and be happy for you or would he sulk because you would not be there to ensure the smooth running of his life.

You say you are happy, and I hope you are, but is this because you never do anything that you know he wouldn't want you to do?

DarkDarkNight · 22/03/2022 18:19

He is always volunteering me to bake things for family get togethers, give lifts to people (he does not drive)

So he doesn’t have a problem with you helping others, as long as it’s on his terms Hmm he sounds very controlling. He shouldn’t be offering lifts to people when it will be you giving the lift.

diddl · 22/03/2022 18:24

So some of what you are doing seems to me to be what a lot of people do-you are doing that thing/going that way anyway & add a little time on to help someone at the same time.

I'm not trying to belittle what you do by saying that btw.

Whereas he offers you up for random lifts to places you aren't even going?

DelphiniumBlue · 22/03/2022 18:26

It's entirely up to you to volunteer to help anyone you like.
However it is not acceptable for him to be volunteering your services, and particularly not without asking you first. Does he think he has shares in you? You are not a public resource, and he is out of order doing this. Personally, I'd be digging my heels in and refusing to do anything he's volunteered you for. Hopefully that'll land him in an embarrassing position and he'll stop doing it.

MySaturday · 22/03/2022 18:26

@diddl
Realistically it isn't taking up much of my time. I am not manning a helpline or run a soup kitchen (maybe when I retire Wink) and a lot of the regular stuff I do fits in with stuff I am already doing. For example, I shop for people when I am shopping, I cook extra for people because I am already cooking anyway.
This thread has made me think about actual examples and I have realised that DP's problem seems to be when people have to come into our home (if I offer childcare).
He hasn't always had a problem with me helping others - in the past I have organised large charity events in my spare time with his absolute support. He has been largely working from home since the first lockdown and this has made him anxious. I think home is a safe space and having other people turning up makes knocks him out if his comfort zone. Now that I think about it, he acts the same if I invite people around. It's not really about me helping people it's about people coming into his space.

Obviously, the sulking is a sign of poor communication and is manipulative. I will address this with him.

The housework etc. is a completely separate issue.

OP posts:
DelphiniumBlue · 22/03/2022 18:34

I know you haven't mentioned it as an issue, but why doesn't he drive? I would find it ( indeed did find it) really annoying to be the only driver, especially when there are elderly relatives/young children to be accommodated. So I insisted DH learn to drive, to share the burden, so that I wasn't the only one responsible for doing the shopping/collecting children/delivering granny to appointments/being the driver to and from the pub/party.
Has he got a disability that prevents him from driving?

EKGEMS · 22/03/2022 18:51

What exactly is HE doing to address his anxiety? Counseling with a therapist? Anxiety Rx? You sound like Gumby bending over backwards to make his life cushy and easy while he doesn't have to face his fear of cooking,driving,any and all disruptions of life! Geez he responds with sulking? GIRL NO! Set some boundaries and let him know this is on him

LuckySantangelo35 · 22/03/2022 18:58

@MySaturday

I have been with DP for 14 years. If he was the coercive and controlling mastermind that many of you suspect I think it would be quite visible to everyone in RL by now? The fact is that I am closer with my family now than I was before we got together and I have met and maintained friendships with some absolutely lovely people during that time. He has supported me in leaving a career that I hated and taking jobs that pay far less so that I can have a better work/life balance. Of course, there have been times that I have supported him too. We are a partnership. He fears change in his own day to day life and this can make him hesitant when there is a scenario that he cannot plan for. Often, this hesitance can take the form of obsessive planning for every eventuality but when that is not possible I am confronted with the sulking. He is mainly sulking with the universe, but of course I feel it is aimed at me if my choices lead to the sulking. When it comes to the basics of cooking / housework - yes he should learn. He actually feels sheepish about not being able to cook and I constantly insist that it is fine. Maybe I should see what he suggests about learning. Perhaps a regular recipe box thingy so he has clear instructions to follow and everything weighed out ready - that could be a good start? When he asks what needs doing around the house I could give him the appropriate equipment and let him get on with it instead of expecting him to guess how best to do things he has never been expected to do before?
@MySaturday He feels sheepish about not being able to cook and you say it’s fine….why?!

You say you can cook and are good at it but do you never feel like a night off and having someone else plan and cook a meal for the family.

He feels sheepish because he knows it’s pathetic and inadequate of him to not be able to cook. Honestly how can you fancy someone so useless at basic adulting.

LuckySantangelo35 · 22/03/2022 19:01

“He has been largely working from home since the first lockdown and this has made him anxious. I think home is a safe space and having other people turning up makes knocks him out if his comfort zone. Now that I think about it, he acts the same if I invite people around. It's not really about me helping people it's about people coming into his space.”

Omg how pathetic he sounds! He needs to get a grip

DeeCeeCherry · 22/03/2022 19:07

Well he's not The Boss Of You is he?

Tell him he's mean-spirited and picky, you don't want to be like him and in fact you are not him - so can he leave you alone, thank you.

He's your partner not your manager.

UsernameInTheTown · 22/03/2022 19:20

Wouldn't the world be a kinder place without men? I'd get rid personally, I'll bet he clips your wings in other ways?

HelpMeHiveMind · 22/03/2022 19:25

@MySaturday

I definitely envisage a future together and generally speaking I just keep doing what I want to do and ignore the sulks. I am hoping that if I do this he will just get used to it! He is an anxious person who highly values a strong sense of routine and I think the sulking comes from a place of panic - but I always go the extra mile to ensure that his needs are met and his routine is not disrupted.

Your DH sounds a lot like me and your post that "he is an anxious person who highly values routine so it comes from a place of panic" nails it. I often find myself reacting like this then will go away, think about it, calm down and may come back more rationally. Or, just by having the 'threat' removed I can get myself into a space to suggest it should happen. Does your DH do this or does he just remain resolute that you shouldn't?

REignbow · 22/03/2022 19:28

Well it is your home as well, so if you want to invite another adult or child around then you can!

In regards to not being home to cook, well he will just have to suck it up.

loach81 · 22/03/2022 19:37

@MySaturday

Examples of basic things that I have done to help people recently (so you can all see that I am not exactly a martyr!)
  • I bought extra items to donate to a collection for Ukrainian refugees at DP's workplace and delivered them because there was too much for him to carry easily on the bus. He was worried that people in his work would think I was making a big deal by turning up with stuff (they didn't) even though they had arranged the collection and he had sent me the details.
  • offered to take friend's child to and from our childminder (same CM as DC) whilst she was recovering from major surgery and said I would look after child at home for a couple of hours if her husband couldn't finish work early on some days.
  • offered to look after a friend's child so that he could attend a growth scan / consultation with his partner
  • during lockdown I did some shopping for an elderly neighbour
  • I cook several meals a week (usually 5 dinners) for an elderly relative of his

So you can see, these aren't exactly massive acts of kindness! They are little things that help people out when they really need it.

Bloody hell! He really needs to know that this is the sort of thing that most mothers across the world do without thinking!
LuckySantangelo35 · 22/03/2022 19:50

@HelpMeHiveMind
Do you try and dictate to - and manipulate- others though? Which is what OP’s partner is doing, anxiety or no anxiety

floralhead · 22/03/2022 22:14

You sound like my mil and your DH sounds like my FIL. His only happy when it suits his side of the family and only if they benefit from mil's acts of kindness or hosting meals but god forbid she does it for her friends or her own family, he sits there with his joggers on, feet up and watching tv without even exchanging a simple hello to mil's family/friends. I hate my FIL, he is such an abusive controlling dick that every time I'm forced to see him at family gatherings, I feel like punching him in the face.

floralhead · 22/03/2022 22:19

Men like my FIL just sucks the life out of you. They drain you with their constant moaning and sulking and I firmly believe they push you to the point where they shorten your life span. Life shouldn't be this difficult or complicated.

Cherrysoup · 22/03/2022 22:39

Sulking is extremely unattractive.

I think you need to say to him that he doesn’t volunteer you for anything anymore. He doesn’t get to dictate what you do in your free time.

EthicalNonMahogany · 23/03/2022 06:52

Or would you just divorce him because he wasn't born able to dust and nobody had ever taught him?

OP remember when you had your first baby, you probably looked up stuff on what to do, found out information, gave it a good go, checked if you were doing it right with others... stuff you do as an adult you have to motivate yourself.

There's something comfortable for you in expanding to fill the space of responsibility that your DH should be filling in your marriage. You have all the planning and project management jobs. It's a safe place to be because actually YOUR routine isn't disrupted - things get done how you want them and you just have to take action to avoid everyone's emotional challenges. You're still active and clear of purpose and you don't have to sit with the discomfort of people maybe not liking you if you don't do things for them.

I would suggest doing Byron Katie's The Work with this one. Have a google for it. You look like someone ready to reflect on their own practice & assumptions.

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