Will Labour ever get back in?

[Blueblossompinksky]

My understanding is that the labour majority was in part because of the Scottish vote, which seems to have gone to the SNP.

I realise it’s unlikely that the Tories will get back in with such a large majority as 2019 but will there actually be enough seats for Labour to win?

Labour problem is a lot of time, they are chasing the same middle class vote that the Tories.

What labour needs to be doing is encouraging the disenfranchised who are minimum wage who don't vote to vote for them, these are the people who work in care homes, factories, distribution centers like ASOS and many more, But Labour won't do this as they are too lazy.

Exactly @TooBigForMyBoots.

As for the poster talking about single people paying 75% council tax under Labour I've been paying that for the entire time the Conservatives have been in government.

[quote Overtheseas]@DdraigGoch I couldn’t disagree more vehemently. The Welsh NHS is bloody amazing compared to England. I had breast cancer identified, scanned, operated on and follow up treatment all in 3 months.
Meanwhile my friend in England is dying on a waiting list.

Education in Wales is being transformed with a new curriculum and arrangements for ensuring ANY child with ALN (the old SEN) gets a legally binding support plan and person centred support. In England the education system is crippled by profitmaking schools and providers companies hoovering up taxpayers money because money-starved Councils lose tribunals due to not being able to meet pupil needs. Meanwhile local schools miss out. It’s a shambles.

Transport for Wales is bad, but so is rail travel everywhere. The rail network needed investment, not privatisation.[/quote]
Great that it worked for you. It doesn't work for everyone. All in all, outcomes are poorer.

Again in education, Welsh pupils' attainment is less than in England.

When people are calling for the return of Arriva Trains Wales, you know that things must be desperate with the nationalised operator.

@Nothappyatwork

Historically by the time any parties had three terms the electorate has had enough of them and is ready for a change it’s almost like seven years of feast and seven years of faming.

Based on the Thatcher-Major period (1979-97) we've still got several years of Tory rule to go.

What Labour needs now is the new Neil Kinnock to rid the party of its unelectable element (Militant in his day, Momentum now) and a new Blair/ Brown combination waiting in the wings once the job of bringing Labour back towards the centre and reality (adult human females being the prime reality they need to acknowledge) and then they'll have a chance. Till then people will keep voting Tory because they're a shit-show but a known shit-show. No one knows what depth of shit a Labour government run by a man who has shown no inclination to take control of his party would get us into.

@maltravers

I don’t like the tories, but how can I vote Labour when they are so awful about acknowledging the need to balance rights so as to protect women? They don’t even know what a woman is it seems. Yeah right.

Who would you vote for ? We only have a right win - Tories and Left win - Labour. I know I am not a right wing nutter.... Choices are few and far I wish the green party would be in seat, 4 day working week sounds great. But that will never happen

wing not win

Erm, they proposed the GRA Reform under May. Crispin Blunt, Penny Mordaunt and other Conservatives are active TRAs, more take the stance YWAW

Yes ok GRA reform was proposed under May, but the Tories have since blocked it.
TRA Tories are in the minority.

Labour MPs are committed to the TRA line as a whole overall, look what happened to MP Duffield. They're dangerous and can't be trusted they've swallowed too much Kool Aid and live in an elite bubble, no use to anyone other than their privileged friends.

Women's rights may be seen as single issue voting but it has vast ramifications and is wide ranging in all areas of life.

Well you’ve just ruined my day I forgot that that was a nearly 20 year period Jesus Christ, imagine.

Unfortunately I think their policies working. I’ve decided to just do me now because if the government can’t take care of those who are most vulnerable, my job is to make sure I don’t become the most vulnerable.

@ilovesooty which interviews did you have in mind?

I've just remembered Natalie Bennett's car crash when she was leader of the Green Party.

Just because people won't vote Labour, it doesn't mean they'll vote Conservative. Unless you live somewhere marginal or somewhere that might well be subject to a protest vote it makes little difference. My MP gets a huge proportion of the vote. Nothing I do will make the slightest difference.

no use to anyone other than their privileged friends - about Labour.

Yet given the current government's track record, in this regard, you'd defend them being reelected?

@A580Hojas

Not while they insist "Trans women are women".

^^ This.

I would have hoped that after the utter shitshow of the Tories over the last few years that idiots would stop voting for them. Sadly, doesn’t seem likely to happen any time soon. Utterly depressing.

[quote DdraigGoch]@ilovesooty which interviews did you have in mind?

I've just remembered Natalie Bennett's car crash when she was leader of the Green Party.[/quote]
Quite a lot of interviews with members of the government front bench over the last two years. Take your pick.

Erm, they proposed the GRA Reform under May

May's government is history. It's the current policy which matters, and the Conservatives are the only major party to have shelved it.

Mordaunt and Blunt are two TRAs. Rosie Duffield is one feminist speaking . If I lived in any of their constituencies then that would make me overlook the views of their respective parties and vote/not vote for them based on their own views. As I don't though, I'll stick with voting based on the policies put forward by the candidates in my own constituency - which are likely to mirror those of their respective parties.

@Blueblossompinksky

I don’t know if it’s so much about fairness as people being desperate for change, but I agree with that! What I do wonder is if the situation in Scotland will mean that’s impossible, though.

I mean, if the Tories aren’t voted out now then when?

I mean, if the Tories aren’t voted out now then when?

Well probably when there's an election. We aren't having one today.

Nadine Dorries' interview with C4 recently was pretty spectacular in its car crash awfulness.

I understand the point that people feel strongly about the TWAW but may not necessarily discuss it in real life. But has there been any polling? Presumably there is polling carried out internally for the parties. If the Labour Party really felt the issue was damaging them electorally then they may change their stance (as they changed their pro-EU stance after Brexit because they thought it would be damaging at the polls, even though the majority of Labour MPs were pro-remain).

I can't see that they would take such a firm stance if they didn't have polling to back it up?

@ilovesooty if there's a particular car crash that you have in mind, then please tell us. I can't think of anything memorable which is key because I'm not denying that there have been car crashes, just that they have to be spectacular enough for people to remember them. If people don't remember them, then they won't make a difference to one's vote.

Not until they do a few things, namely getting rid of Angela Rayner and a few other repellents on the front bench. And know what a woman is :

@Alicesweewonders

Serious question; Has anyone asked Boris what definition of a women is?

The ones he sleeps with appear to be uniformly female.

[quote DdraigGoch]@ilovesooty if there's a particular car crash that you have in mind, then please tell us. I can't think of anything memorable which is key because I'm not denying that there have been car crashes, just that they have to be spectacular enough for people to remember them. If people don't remember them, then they won't make a difference to one's vote.[/quote]
Who makes them memorable? The media does.

They've never let up about Diane Abbott but there's been little focus on, for example, Dominic Raab demonstrating little understanding of geography and its impact on trade, or his assertion that misogyny applies to both sexes.

I can't understand people who say gender stuff would stop them voting labour. I understand the precise point, but overall a pro-welfare state, pro-workers' rights party will always be better for women.

I think it's all about demographics really, currently the electoral landscape is still dominated by older people's interests. At some time we'll reach a tipping point and parties will have to reform because the old political identities don't hold for younger generations.

Personally I'd like to see a third party, like the Lib Dems but better. With an actual vision for the country. Brexit has made everything so negative and hate-filled.

Labour not wanting to incite the wrath of the TWAW brigade is not a reason to not vote for them. Surely anything is better than the current cabinet? They are utterly corrupt.