Will Labour ever get back in?

[Blueblossompinksky]

My understanding is that the labour majority was in part because of the Scottish vote, which seems to have gone to the SNP.

I realise it’s unlikely that the Tories will get back in with such a large majority as 2019 but will there actually be enough seats for Labour to win?

stop despising the working classes

Right wing dog whistle meaning immigration

There are dozens of these examples of Labour MP quotes to be found now, but this one was from today. A female Labour MP (Warrington North), telling women to rejoice in being beaten by biological males in sport, and to 'pipe down' and stop being 'transphobic'.

Not a shred of concern, compassion or 'kindness' for the girls robbed of their achievements.

This is a party position. Kier Starmer has set out his stall by coming off the fence in the past few weeks. They don't deserve women's votes.

Jesus 🤦‍♀️

There is one journalist at the Guardian-John Harris- who has the revolutionary approach to political writing of leaving Westminster and asking people in ordinary jobs in unglamorous parts of the nation what they think about stuff.

Perhaps Labour could try this?

I'm not sure I'll ever understand why being very pro lockdown, which hit the poorest and disenfranchised in our society the most significantly, became associated with the left.

Yes, Piers Corbyn is very right wing, of course.

what Is right wing about being against lockdowns and mandates?

The affluent were very well protected during lockdowns. They had nice gardens and space in their homes for everyone to have a room to study and work. All with their own laptops, of course. They had time to make sour dough bread and still keep earning and being protected from the worst variant of covid.

Its the poorer who had to keep working and struggling to educate their children and limited access to tech. Often they didn’t have access to good outdoor space either and spent weeks indoors.

It’s ridiculous how ‘Right wing’ is thrown around like an insult these days. I’m quite comfortable with both my right wing and left wing views. It’s possible to have views that fall into different camps so go ahead and throw insults.

This.

@JustAnotherPoster00 Labour and their supporters in Wales constantly bleat about the Barnett formula and the Tories when they've had 22 years to take positive steps to attract and start new businesses,
and stop encouraging a dependency culture and especially dependency on the state.
Instead, they've focussed on looking after their cronies and keeping their mates in the trade unions happy at the expense of what's best for the population. I'm a trade union member myself btw.
They promised to re organise the ridiculous situation of 22 councils when the assembly was created - a terrific waste of money in a small country - with 22 directors of education, social services etc - but that would upset the aforementioned cronies and they've never done it. Now they want to increase the number of largely useless MS's.
Many of their policies are excellent in practice, but there are too many fat cats and not enough skilled workers in the right places.

Allowing education to become so dire has made that happen - it's all very well reorganising the curriculum now, but why let it get that bad? I'll tell you why - dogma was more important than kids' achievements and qualifications in shortage occupations. And by that, I don't mean Mickey Mouse degrees in some of the Mickey Mouse colleges and so-called universities that have sprung up.

I admit we have historic issues of work-shyness, sickness, an elderly population and poverty - but for goodness sake, there's still room for good governance, ambition and intelligence - all of which are sorely lacking in Welsh Labour.

Our natural resources aren't enough to bring financial independence - we have lots of rain, but no oil.

I'm going to repeat the post I made on a thread on Chat the other day about why I and other women are exercising our democratic right not to vote Labour until they sort themselves out in terms of their attitude to women's rights. And yes all the things I cite can be evidenced:

I'm going to illustrate all the many reasons why I, a former Labour member, will not be voting for them:

Their support of misogynist troll Lily Madigan as "women's officer" and other such characters

Their abuse of all women shortlists to allow males to stand as "women"

MPs joining secret Facebook groups set up to doxx gender critical women, get them suspended from the party and get them sacked, keeping Stasi like lists in breach of Data Protection law

Suspending gender critical women in disciplinary proceedings worthy of O'Brien and Winston Smith

Key MPs signing a pledge to persecute gender critical feminists within the Labour Party

Key MPs saying that they believed MTF transgender sex criminals had the right to go into women's prison

A leader and numerous MPs who can't bring themselves to define the word woman in any coherent way and make themselves and the party a laughing stock

A party that turns a blind eye to the horrific online abuse of gender critical female MP Rosie Duffield, egged on by left wing commentators on social media

A hugely misogynistic culture overall, with a history of telling women their rights can wait until more important things have been achieved.

I've probably forgotten some, but hopefully that gives an idea of why many women will be making the only protest they can, by not voting for them.

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They don't want my vote, so it's fine by me, I won't be voting for them.

"No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her sex"

Susan B Anthony

Oh yay. Loads of people yelling past each other.

For all those of you shouting, "how can you not vote Labour?" please read.

I can explain it all!

Imagine that overnight the Labour party undergoes a sea-change. Their policies are exactly what you want: from employment rights, the NHS budget, improved disability support, a plan to build more social housing, future-proofing the country against climate-change, animal welfare in farming, to increased funding of schools and colleges. Everything you could ever dream of, they are perfect on, and the manifesto is fully costed. And you believe them

But there is one thing you don't like. Imagine they also plan to remove trans people's human rights. Imagine that under the Labour party, gender reassignment will no longer be a protected characteristic in the Equality Act, hate crimes against trans people will no longer be recorded, transgender surgery will be banned, and cross-sex hormones will be banned. Would you still be willing to vote Labour?

I'm not going to ask you to disclose which way you would vote, but can you accept that not everyone would be willing to entirely sacrifice trans people's safety for everyone else's happiness? That they can't accept seeing trans people used as a bargaining chip?

If you can, good.

Now, here's the shocking part. Some people feel equally as strongly about women's legal rights.

@TheKeatingFive

You aren't going to win elections going out there telling the electorate "we're right, you're wrong" and expecting them to vote for you.

This attitude from Labour never ceases to amaze me. It's lacking the most basic political understanding.

I know, right!

It's like telling people that if they don't plug their noses over self-id, it's their fault when they get Tory or other policies they don't really like.

As opposed to the fault of Labour who for some reason keep pushing it even though it is a known vote loser. Clearly, it's the Labour leadership that cares less about austerity and more about gender ideology.

If Charlotte Nichols MP is a former competitive swimmer she should be aware that training is in part to increase physical strength. No matter how much training these women do they're never going to be able to match Lia Thomas. It's not, as Charlotte Nichoĺs MP alleges, an "incredible achievment" - it's akin to doping, as Sharron Davis has said. It's neither nasty nor transphobia to raise this. It's disgraceful that a Labour MP should make that allegation and shows the mountain that Labour has to climb.

Good post Potholes.

I don't think, for a lot of people, that the personal life of the PM much affects how they vote. They might be horrified if their daughter dated him, but still think he'd be a better PM than the upright guy leading the other party.

I'm not convinced there is a strong correlation between being a nice guy and an effective PM or leader, historically speaking.

They don't know what a woman is. David Lammy thinks men can grow cervixes.
Kier Starmer isn't interested in safeguarding vulnerable children from magical gender ideology.
No thanks!

@JustAnotherPoster00

stop despising the working classes

Right wing dog whistle meaning immigration

I don't understand your post at all. Care to elaborate?

BlancheB I think he or she is Labour Party Activist 1, in my previous explanation of why I felt the Labour party was useless for working class people just now.

A vignette

Some working class men and women on social media: multinational conglomerates are using their size and power to exploit these loopholes in employment law. Workers are being forced to work 18 hours a day without breaks. People lose money for going to the toilet in work time. We know of pregnant women who have resorted to wearingnappiesat work because they're not able to go to the toilet.

Labour Party Activists:

Working class men and women [to each other]: we're getting traction! People from the Labour party have noticed. This is brilliant!

Working class men and women: hello, thank you for your support. It's very much appreciated! Can you come along to a meeting at the community centre at 9am, tomorrow? We want to draw up our first draft of what legislative measures we want to push for to stop this exploitation. If we partner with the Labour party, you'll be able to say whether it's workable on your end.

Labour Party Activist 1 [self-righteously]: no, because I am anti-work, and that is just not radical enough for me. You don't want to stop exploitation, you just want to reduce it a bit for people like you.

I have an Amazon parcel being delivered tomorrow prior commitments so I can't attend any meeting that is working towards less than the complete overthrow of capitalism.

Labour Party Activist 2, 3 and 4: Of course I will! So long as you expel her, her, her and him from your group for liking T*RF posts on facebook.

Working class men: um, okay...

Absolutely nothing productive happens, as the women and men expelled were the ones who had made the preliminary draft notes. It is agreed that a second meeting will be held.

The working class men remaining, plus 1 token woman, bring along some notes on legislative ideas. However, the Labour activists attending the meeting now outnumber the working class men, and they steer the meeting away from how legislation can be used to compel employers to improve working conditions, into a discussion of the necessity of UBI (universal basic income), and Star Trek economics.
Nothing is agreed about the proposals to improve working conditions, and get employees right here and now, the right to toilet breaks.

Goes as Meeting 2 did

And the workers never get the time off to organise Meeting 4

@JustAnotherPoster00

stop despising the working classes

Right wing dog whistle meaning immigration

Well, this answers the OP, anyway.

No, they won't get in any time soon.

@JustAnotherPoster00

stop despising the working classes

Right wing dog whistle meaning immigration

What do you mean?

One of the major problems Labour has is our creaky wanky electoral system - but since they won't argue to change it they can fuck off.

If so be prepared to be much worse off and tax will go even more through the roof

Unless you never see or read any news, you know perfectly well that’s going to happen whoever is in power @Xenia. Remember the broken Tory election promises? They were never going to increase income tax or NI, they were always going to keep the pension triple lock - and what happened?

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

One of the major problems Labour has is our creaky wanky electoral system - but since they won't argue to change it they can fuck off.

Agreed. Many would find it more easy to stomach votimg Labour if they could convey that Labour were a second choice to keep the Tories out.

But Labour didn't want AV, did they?

But Labour didn't want AV, did they?

To be fair virtually nobody wanted it.

There have often been people who vote on single issues - eg those pro or anti abortion sometimes find that is so important it decides their vote. Labour has got the trans issue very wrong and will put a lot of women off voting labour in England Wales and NI. Of course not everyone votes on the basis of one issue.

I think more people vote on the basis of which party they trust more with the economy. I do not support this high spending high tax Tory party and was against both Tory and Labour policies on covid but over all I trust the Tories more on tax and spending and defence than Labour. Defence will be coming more and more to the fore with the Russian situation and again I trust the Tories more on that than Labour.

@Fluffymule

There are dozens of these examples of Labour MP quotes to be found now, but this one was from today. A female Labour MP (Warrington North), telling women to rejoice in being beaten by biological males in sport, and to 'pipe down' and stop being 'transphobic'.

Not a shred of concern, compassion or 'kindness' for the girls robbed of their achievements.

This is a party position. Kier Starmer has set out his stall by coming off the fence in the past few weeks. They don't deserve women's votes.

This should be shared over and over to show what a bunch of dangerous misogynists Labour MPs are.

To paraphrase song - if you tolerate this, then your daughters will be next.