Will Labour ever get back in?

[Blueblossompinksky]

My understanding is that the labour majority was in part because of the Scottish vote, which seems to have gone to the SNP.

I realise it’s unlikely that the Tories will get back in with such a large majority as 2019 but will there actually be enough seats for Labour to win?

I know it’s not their strong point unfortunately

You said it 😆

[quote MarshaBradyo]@Bananananaa at least make an effort to understand the issue re women’s rights.

If you don’t you’ll lose votes. Even when people insult etc anyone who thinks this is important it won’t help you get those votes back.

Labour need to listen and understand what women are saying about their rights. I know it’s not their strong point unfortunately but if they want to gain ground, they need to.[/quote]
It's the willingness to ignore all the awful shit the Tories do for women that grates me. Ok, if you don't agree with labour of course that's ok, but don't support labour because of women's safety issues and support the Tories instead? What?

I'm not aiming that statement at you directly. But there are plenty of people on this thread that are planning to vote conservative because of "women's safety" and that blows my freaking mind.

but don't support labour because of women's safety issues and support the Tories instead? What?

You clearly don't understand the fears people have around the concept of female identity being redefined. Spend some time on the feminism boards and you might educate yourself.

@TheKeatingFive

but don't support labour because of women's safety issues and support the Tories instead? What?

You clearly don't understand the fears people have around the concept of female identity being redefined. Spend some time on the feminism boards and you might educate yourself.

You're advocating for a man who has cheated on a lot of his partners and has silenced women in courts to stop them revealing his children conceived via infidelity. The sort of man that gets slammed on this website time and time again for being abusive towards women and deemed as disgusting. You're advocating for him in defence of womens rights and safety. What are you doing???

You're advocating for a man who has cheated on a lot of his partners and has silenced women in courts to stop them revealing his children conceived via infidelity.

You seem to have an issue with reading comprehension.

I haven't once advocated for Johnson.

I'm explaining why people don't feel they can vote for Labour.

@TheKeatingFive

You're advocating for a man who has cheated on a lot of his partners and has silenced women in courts to stop them revealing his children conceived via infidelity.

You seem to have an issue with reading comprehension.

I haven't once advocated for Johnson.

I'm explaining why people don't feel they can vote for Labour.

You replied to a post where I said - ok don't vote for labour but why vote for conservatives when women's rights are high on your priority list...

...by telling me to educate myself?

I don't think I'm the one with reading comprehension issues.

I don't think I'm the one with reading comprehension issues.

Look it's clear that you don't want to listen to people's concerns, don't want to engage. You'd prefer to call them crazy and point at the Tories and say 'well they're worse'.

Which is fine. Just don't expect it to win people round to your cause. 🤷‍♀️

It's all we've come to expect from the Labour Party. And it's alienated a huge number of women. But quite clearly you don't care.

I couldn’t vote for labour. As well as the women’s rights issues, I didn’t like their enthusiasm for lockdowns and mandates.

I didn’t like their enthusiasm for lockdowns and mandates.

Good point. This too.

I think Kier Starmer is the Neil Kinnock of the 90s, dent the Tory majority at the next election, but not win, and the next person will take power (my money is on Andy Burnham).

@TheKeatingFive

I don't think I'm the one with reading comprehension issues.

Look it's clear that you don't want to listen to people's concerns, don't want to engage. You'd prefer to call them crazy and point at the Tories and say 'well they're worse'.

Which is fine. Just don't expect it to win people round to your cause. 🤷‍♀️

It's all we've come to expect from the Labour Party. And it's alienated a huge number of women. But quite clearly you don't care.

If you're saying that me pointing out how bad the Tory party is for women is also me supporting labour in their entirety then you have just as much reading comprehension issues as I have.

I am not voting for labour either.

I am pointing out the complete lack of respect Boris and to Tory party have for women which is completely being brushed over. I'm pointing out anyone here who is against labour because of women's safety but instead supports the conservatives is a complete hypocrite.

A willingness to not vote for a party because of a women's safety issue but will instead vote for another one who is run by misogynistic twat.

I'm making general statements here to everyone who is going to vote Tory.

Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I am pointing out the complete lack of respect Boris and to Tory party have for women which is completely being brushed over. I'm pointing out anyone here who is against labour because of women's safety but instead supports the conservatives is a complete hypocrite.

I don't think anyone is brushing over it. This thread is about labour. Start a thread about Boris if you want. I'm sure you'll get a lot of responses, he's not very popular on here.

A willingness to not vote for a party because of a women's safety issue but will instead vote for another one who is run by misogynistic twat.

One misogynistic leader, while pretty appalling, is not more serious in my eyes than the erosion of women's identity, language and spaces. Now please note this does NOT mean I am advocating for Boris. I have never and would never vote for the Tories. But the fact that the Tories are dire does not let Labour off the hook for their position on women.

As I said earlier, if you want to actually understand the threat that women feel under (rather than y'know, just call them crazy), I recommend the feminism board. I know that's in vain because you aren't actually interested, but I'll throw it out there one more time.

I'm making general statements here to everyone who is going to vote Tory.

Which is who exactly?

women's safety issue

Part of the reason is a misunderstanding of the issue centred on women’s rights. For many women it is fundamental. It is crucially important to me and I would always focus on women’s rights not ‘trans rights’ or a ‘safety issue’. There is a good section on here where people talk about why it’s so crucial to them if you’re interested in knowing more about why.

For many women it is fundamental.

Exactly. This is about women's essential identity and biology based rights. Calling it a 'safety issue' is such a total misunderstanding of the consequences of what Labour are supporting.

Many women do see this as much more threatening to them than anything the Tories are doing. If you don't understand why, you know where to go to find out.

But just to be 100% clear, that doesn't mean they are supportive of the Tories either.

@Charles11

I couldn’t vote for labour. As well as the women’s rights issues, I didn’t like their enthusiasm for lockdowns and mandates.

Anymore off the right wing check list?

Anymore off the right wing check list?

I'm not sure I'll ever understand why being very pro lockdown, which hit the poorest and disenfranchised in our society the most significantly, became associated with the left.

@JustAnotherPoster00

what Is right wing about being against lockdowns and mandates?

The affluent were very well protected during lockdowns. They had nice gardens and space in their homes for everyone to have a room to study and work. All with their own laptops, of course. They had time to make sour dough bread and still keep earning and being protected from the worst variant of covid.
Its the poorer who had to keep working and struggling to educate their children and limited access to tech. Often they didn’t have access to good outdoor space either and spent weeks indoors.

It’s ridiculous how ‘Right wing’ is thrown around like an insult these days. I’m quite comfortable with both my right wing and left wing views. It’s possible to have views that fall into different camps so go ahead and throw insults.

I agree about lockdown and Labour / left wing and who it hit hardest - and that being incongruous.

And I think some of that insult and attempt to control other voters is an overhang of pandemic where people just insulted people into doing what they thought best - eg you’re selfish etc

It’s not very convincing as a tactic to get more votes though

Labour are in in Wales and our lives are better for it, compared to those in England. I hope they stay in Wales and if they get into Westminster, even better.
Really? On every metric things are worse than England in Wales - health, education, economy, transport...
Unless you think TWAW of course, on which case, come on team Wales.
I used to vote Labour but after 22 years of seeing what a shitshow they've been here, and especially because they don't know what a woman is, absolutely no more.
I'm no fan of the Tories but there's no credible opposition and can't see that happening for a long time.

@TheKeatingFive

Anymore off the right wing check list?

I'm not sure I'll ever understand why being very pro lockdown, which hit the poorest and disenfranchised in our society the most significantly, became associated with the left.

I think it was more to do with those that were against the lockdowns having more right wing opinions, here and in the states, a lot of it fuelled by the QAnon nonsense, even now any anti lockdown protest seems to have a lot of nazi salutes thrown around and I only mentioned it because any thread about Labour no matter what will always bring down the right wing element of MN, likewise with the racism/anti racism threads and trans threads you see an overlap of posters who are clearly right wing and would have never voted for the party insinuating its the only thing stopping them from voting for Labour

@Distantview

Labour are in in Wales and our lives are better for it, compared to those in England. I hope they stay in Wales and if they get into Westminster, even better. Really? On every metric things are worse than England in Wales - health, education, economy, transport... Unless you think TWAW of course, on which case, come on team Wales. I used to vote Labour but after 22 years of seeing what a shitshow they've been here, and especially because they don't know what a woman is, absolutely no more. I'm no fan of the Tories but there's no credible opposition and can't see that happening for a long time.

Going to mention the unfair Barnett formula and the fact that England has stripped away any natural resource Wales had and gives back a miniscule amount in comaprison to the wealth it stripped out?

Nah they're unlikely to get back in until they can a) stand up for women and b) stop despising the working classes.

but after 22 years

Says a lot

I think it was more to do with those that were against the lockdowns having more right wing opinions, here and in the states

I don't personally think that's true. I think it's more that those with right wing opinions were noisier about it and it suited the media to position it in that way.

There was a lot of silencing of concerns from more moderate views, in the press, Twitter, forums like this one.