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Will Labour ever get back in?

411 replies

Blueblossompinksky · 20/03/2022 10:32

My understanding is that the labour majority was in part because of the Scottish vote, which seems to have gone to the SNP.

I realise it’s unlikely that the Tories will get back in with such a large majority as 2019 but will there actually be enough seats for Labour to win?

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AllOfUsAreDead · 22/03/2022 08:41

@sst1234

Looks like some people are getting bored of the others pointing out that Labour don’t know what a woman is. Oh well, it’s not like it’s an important thing, is it. Women’s rights, dignity and safety is so trivial that some can choose to be bored and move onto more trendy stuff.
No just pointing out that all the other parties think the same yet you're happy voting them in. Not sure what the difference is.
Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 22/03/2022 08:43

Im afraid its a one issue election for me too, nothing Labour has come up with that would trump the legacy this terrible ideology will leave in its wake. I wont betray my foremothers and everything they fought for. I wouldnt vote for Corbyn over it and Im certainly not voting for Starmer. I am politically homeless. Very sad Shahrar Ali did not get the Green leadership he would have been a breath of fresh air. No one can fix the mess of BREXIT now anyway.

TheKeatingFive · 22/03/2022 08:48

bang on instead about what constitutes a woman

I'm afraid you don't get to tell people what's important to them, much as I'm sure you'd like to.

If the Labour Party spent a bit more time actually listening to people concerns, they might become electable. But they don't seem too bothered about that.

MarshaBradyo · 22/03/2022 09:10

Labour doesn’t know what a woman is” has become the 2022 version of “I couldn’t vote for Corbyn

A shame for them they don’t care how many people say something, they could listen as suggested they would after the last election. But no, still - we don’t want to know what’s important to you. Especially from women.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 22/03/2022 09:11

Starmer is spineless and doesn’t know what a woman is. I don’t like BJ and friends either. No idea who I will vote for.

That's the curious thing. I am absolutely 100% convinced he does. I have found newspaper articles he wrote about equality legislation 20 years ago, in which he is quite clear that women are discriminated against on sex.

IIRC, at the time he became leader, he was the only candidate who didn't make an affirmation that TWAW. Labour party MNers backed him for leader on that basis.

I confidently predicted that he was going to keep his head down and avoid making any commitment either way, until media coverage of various court cases made it too toxic for a politician to say TWAW. Once women's rights activists had done the hard graft and spent the money to make it safe for a politician to say woman=adult human female, I said that we'd see him adopting the woman=adult human female stance.

Instead, what seems to have happened is that he doggedly remained on the fence, ignoring all the abuse from the TWAW lobby for being on said fence, while the TWAW lobby were in the ascendancy.

And then he threw in his lot with them, expressing explicit support for self-ID along the way, once it started looking like saying TWAW might be a vote- loser.

I've concluded he really hates the decor in 10 and 11 Downing Street and is desperate to avoid having to move into the Prime Ministerial quarters. It's the only explanation. Well done to Carrie Johnson for using tactical wallpapering to ensure her husband's job security!

Alexandra2001 · 22/03/2022 09:26

@Sushi7

Labour need a leader who actually represents the working class ie someone from humble beginnings and can actually relate to the people Labour originally represented. I was born in the 90s and I haven’t liked any of the leaders in my lifetime. Starmer is spineless and doesn’t know what a woman is. I don’t like BJ and friends either. No idea who I will vote for.
Presumably he does has he married one?

It is possible and indeed right to allow people to self ID, what should NOT happen is when that right carries no responsibilities and damages women.

After 12 years of Tory rule, we see numerous sports allowing trans to compete in womens sport.

So i look at who is governing us and allowing the erosion of womens rights - across the board, esp on sexual assault and rape, not just on trans.

I also listen to my DD, who has worked in MH and her views on Trans.

Florenz · 22/03/2022 09:27

What does "I couldn't vote for Corbyn" mean? Other than that people didn't want to vote for Corbyn?

If you have a leader that puts people off voting for the party, it's the leader that is wrong, not the people. You aren't going to win elections going out there telling the electorate "we're right, you're wrong" and expecting them to vote for you.

TheKeatingFive · 22/03/2022 09:32

You aren't going to win elections going out there telling the electorate "we're right, you're wrong" and expecting them to vote for you.

This attitude from Labour never ceases to amaze me. It's lacking the most basic political understanding.

Slothtoes · 22/03/2022 09:40

Agreed

DifficultBloodyWoman · 22/03/2022 10:15

I've concluded he really hates the decor in 10 and 11 Downing Street and is desperate to avoid having to move into the Prime Ministerial quarters. It's the only explanation. Well done to Carrie Johnson for using tactical wallpapering to ensure her husband's job security!

I agree with you, potholes. And may I just say your last paragraph is the best political analysis I have seen in a long time! 😂

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/03/2022 10:22

After 12 years of Tory rule, we see numerous sports allowing trans to compete in womens sport.
So i look at who is governing us and allowing the erosion of womens rights - across the board, esp on sexual assault and rape, not just on trans.

The Conservative party are a nightmare for women.

Pluvia · 22/03/2022 12:14

Excellent summary, Purgatory. Like you I'm a Labour voter just waiting for Labour to sense which way the wind is blowing and revert to woman = adult human female.

I didn't think of the wallpaper explanation, though it makes sense. My analysis of it was that the moment KS says 'adult human female' the woke bros and everyone else who wants him out (basically 70% of the party) will call him a transphobe, unseat him and take the party even further from sanity/ something the average Labour voter can support than it is at the moment. But I prefer the wallpaper idea.

PrincessPaws · 22/03/2022 12:29

@Florenz

Labour need to give people reasons to vote for them apart from simply not being the Tories.
This! I have no idea what they would do differently/better - it's not enough to just disagree, how will you do better?

So far the only thing that they've really hung their hat on is something that is a dealbreaker for many women

Blinkingbatshit · 22/03/2022 12:37

If they can confirm that they know scientifically what a woman is (clue - it’s not a man) & commit to defending women and girls rights then I think they’d find renewed support in many corners. Till then, no they don’t have my vote and I’m betting there are many like me….

Bananananaa · 22/03/2022 12:57

Mumsnet =

Voting for a party that is looking into trans rights NO

Voting for a party that have contributed to the biggest cost of living rise we've seen in a long time, mothers undoubtedly being thrown into poverty/having to choose between feeding their kids and keeping them warm. 5 years since grenfell disaster and thousands of women and their families living in death traps with their homes being unsellable. Been slammed by independent inquiries on how shocking their response of the pandemic was and for a fact cause thousands of unnecessary deaths especially for those in care homes whilst simultaneously themselves having a bunch of parties and gatherings. YES

Mumsnet is crazy. The conservatives are a party for women are they LOL. I wish people would open their eyes more to situations happening all over the uk outside their direct family. But as long as you're alright ey?

I actually think labour will have a decent chance next election considering how many more families are about to get plunged into massive hardship. Tories will of course come up with a very temporary "solution" right before the election to try encourage people to forget about it all though obviously. I don't think so many families will fall for it next time.

MarshaBradyo · 22/03/2022 13:02

Voting for a party that is looking into trans rights NO

This is about protecting women’s rights not trans rights to me.

When that phrase is used by someone then I know they have the wrong end of the stick.

Bananananaa · 22/03/2022 13:04

I almost forgot about women getting arrested, raped and killed by police officers. Getting arrested when holding vigils for victims. Government refusing to do anything about it or make misogyny a hate crime.

Yes women make sure you choose Tories to stay safe LOL

TheKeatingFive · 22/03/2022 13:04

Voting for a party that is looking into trans rights NO

The problem is trans rights at the expense of female safe spaces, sports, quotas, language.

Which you'd know, of course, if you ever actually listened to what people were saying.

Given that isn't a priority of yours (you'd prefer to tell people they're crazy 🙄) then don't expect any great gains for the party any time soon.

Whattodoniw · 22/03/2022 13:05

Labour lost 80 seats in the last election.

Can't see them getting in again in 2024 to be honest.

Bananananaa · 22/03/2022 13:08

@MarshaBradyo

Voting for a party that is looking into trans rights NO

This is about protecting women’s rights not trans rights to me.

When that phrase is used by someone then I know they have the wrong end of the stick.

You think the Tories are protecting women's rights? I almost got arrested attending a vigil for a woman who was kidnapped and murdered by a met police officer. Government did fuck all through the whole thing. Laughed at making misogyny a hate crime because it's ingrained in their government. Boris only has a bunch of overlaps of his lovers and had an unknown number of children cus he respects women so much.

Open your eyes.

GirlMum93 · 22/03/2022 13:08

I hope not.

Bananananaa · 22/03/2022 13:08

@TheKeatingFive

Voting for a party that is looking into trans rights NO

The problem is trans rights at the expense of female safe spaces, sports, quotas, language.

Which you'd know, of course, if you ever actually listened to what people were saying.

Given that isn't a priority of yours (you'd prefer to tell people they're crazy 🙄) then don't expect any great gains for the party any time soon.

But you're happy to ignore the danger the Tory government are putting women in?

Ok Halo

Xenia · 22/03/2022 13:09

I am a Tory so would be glad if Labour do not get in. Labour has read the country very wrongly only on the issue of who is a woman. Whereas Mrs May stopped the proposed change to UK gender change law which was very wise of her. I and many others sent in our written comments to the consultation in her time as PM and it seems the state listened to us.

However we have often had people swinging from Labour to Tories etc so there is a reasonable chance they might get in. If so be prepared to be much worse off and tax will go even more through the roof.

TheKeatingFive · 22/03/2022 13:11

But you're happy to ignore the danger the Tory government are putting women in?

Who says I or anyone else is voting for the Torys? You'll need to do a lot better than 'we're not as bad as those guys'.

Having said that, the erasure of women's biological identity and rights is pretty fundamental to many people. Again, if you actually listened and engaged you might grasp this.

MarshaBradyo · 22/03/2022 13:13

@Bananananaa at least make an effort to understand the issue re women’s rights.

If you don’t you’ll lose votes. Even when people insult etc anyone who thinks this is important it won’t help you get those votes back.

Labour need to listen and understand what women are saying about their rights. I know it’s not their strong point unfortunately but if they want to gain ground, they need to.

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