Part 2: Female swimmers beaten by transgender athlete stage podium protest at ‘unfair’ result (

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Hope you don't mind whytcvv just posting here as your thread reached the limit for posts

Posting your original OP here:- Ignore my previous thread-start as it didn't include important title"

whytcvv
When will the rules change as I completely agree this is unfair and I expect that you will all largely agree with me.

For anyone that doesn't agree, please explain your reasoning to help me better understand.

This reminds me of the weightlifting story from last year.

People that are born female and people who are born male should not be competing in these events together. Our physical bodies are not comparable.

Have as many genders as you can think of, but there are only two possible sexes that you can be born as and that is what eligibility in these competitions should be based on.

AIBU

Link to previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4508526-female-swimmers-beaten-by-transgender-athlete-stage-podium-protest-at-unfair-result

@DrSbaitso

Something really, really bugged me when Daniel Radcliffe first publicly said that transwomen were women, beyond the logical absurdity, more so than when Emma Watson said it. It was a while before I realised I was pissed off that a man was telling me, a woman, what a woman is.

And that he said "There are people much more knowledgeable on this subject than Jo or I," casually discounting JK's history as a woman and educational background in gender issues, and counting them as equals on the subject.

@DrSbaitso

We could drop the doublethink and absurdity if we just accepted, like Simon Fanshawe, that women are women and transwomen are transwomen, and they are two different types of human.

This is a good idea..

twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1506735671637073921

Go tell em Sharon x

Emma Watson seems very quiet on this lately, unless I've been missing all the stories (bar one)?

Sharron you are amazing - you live in my area and everyone (well every late 40 early 50 something womanI know) supports you 100%

Wow, I didn't realise this. Thomas didn't qualify to compete even under the risible rules for trans athletes that ARE in place. I suppose NCAA doesn't HAVE to abide by USA Swimming's rules but it's rather telling what they choose to prioritise and what they choose to overlook.

"USA Swimming’s policy states that trans athletes must undergo three years of hormone replacement therapy before being allowed to compete. Thomas is six months short of that target but the NCAA decided not to adopt USA Swimming’s rules and allowed the senior to compete in Atlanta."

www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/21/lia-thomas-victory-at-ncaa-swimming-finals-sparks-fierce-debate-over-trans-athletes

10:43 DrSbaitso I think that's because Thomas competing made them change the rules, but they'll only apply to future transwomen swimmers otherwise it would have been "unfair" on Thomas...

@Linguini

10:43 DrSbaitso I think that's because Thomas competing made them change the rules, but they'll only apply to future transwomen swimmers otherwise it would have been "unfair" on Thomas...

Ah, sound reasoning!

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

"Womanhood is having compassion and empathy towards people who are different [to] or less fortunate than you".

Translation: you are REQUIRED to be nice, be kind and budge up for others who deem themselves to be more worthy and therefore entitled to your rights"

If I roll my eyes any harder I'll strain something.

Sharron Davies says we can look forward to another anti-woman shitshow in cycling soon as well. Great. Does anyone know what she's referring to?

[quote BrightYellowDaffodil]@PurgatoryOfPotholes

"Womanhood is having compassion and empathy towards people who are different [to] or less fortunate than you".

Translation: you are REQUIRED to be nice, be kind and budge up for others who deem themselves to be more worthy and therefore entitled to your rights"

If I roll my eyes any harder I'll strain something.[/quote]
Even when they're talking pure distilled shite, they know who the women are and what they should be doing.

@DrSbaitso

Sharron Davies says we can look forward to another anti-woman shitshow in cycling soon as well. Great. Does anyone know what she's referring to?

Emily Bridges in the women's cycling as supported by BC.

Why was a woman competing in an elite men’s crit race, you might be wondering – unless you know Bridges’s backstory. The 21-year-old came out publicly as a transgender woman in October 2020, having previously set national records in the junior male category (18.42 for 10 miles, 47.27 for 25 miles). She was racing against men last summer because she was not yet eligible to compete in the female category. British Cycling’s transgender policy stipulates that a rider’s testosterone level must be below 5nmol/L for at least 12 months before their first race. In 2022, Bridges will compete in the female category for the first time.

www.cyclingweekly.com/fitness/i-just-want-to-be-competitive-again-trans-cyclist-emily-bridges-on-preparing-to-race-in-the-female-category

@DrSbaitso

Sharron Davies says we can look forward to another anti-woman shitshow in cycling soon as well. Great. Does anyone know what she's referring to?

To add to Hadrosaurus’s information. Emily Davies, pre transition, was hotly tipped for a medal in the Paris Olympics (2024) , they had been identified and given a valuable place in the elite mens squad, getting massive support from UK Cycling , so access to training camps, equipment, conditioning training, physio and nutrition support etc etc. Very exciting. Unfortunately a series of accidents put paid to their hopes. Ratings and timings dropped them off the National and international leader boards and all hopes of medal success disappeared. Now, here’s the thing, Emily had apparently previously decided that they were transgender but that they were happy to continue to race as a male because they were focussed on the Paris Olympics, so for Emily transitioning was not a pressing issue, not compared to possibly being a gold medal winner. Except that now Emily is unable to compete and win as a male they have decided that transitioning is a priority after all . And phew, what a relief, because of their male physique - Emily is built on the lines of Lia Thomas - and having been through male puberty with all the advantages that offers, Emily is still able to meet the times that put them in the elite category for women.

So move over a female cyclist who has trained hard and dreamed of Olympic success, because Emily now needs your place on the Womens Elite Squad.

Tough luck on any female squad members who get injured, there is nowhere for you to go, but injured male squad members who can no longer hack the times as a male have a fallback. Lucky them.

Women’s cycling is the next travesty then.

We all know that if a load of (say) droids built like Arnold Schwarzenegger (bear with me!) wanted to ‘transition’ to becoming men and enter the Olympic squad and taking a man’s place, there would be outrage and uproar!

Also - I’ve been wondering this- why aren’t men ever called cis men?

Emily has adopted the traditional approach of posing entirely alone for photos after their transition so you don’t you know compare them to biological women and remark on the difference

Here is Emily pre transition

@EmperorsNewClothesBS

Women’s cycling is the next travesty then.

We all know that if a load of (say) droids built like Arnold Schwarzenegger (bear with me!) wanted to ‘transition’ to becoming men and enter the Olympic squad and taking a man’s place, there would be outrage and uproar!

Also - I’ve been wondering this- why aren’t men ever called cis men?

Because females who perhaps feel more of an affinity with the male sex don’t go barging in everywhere demanding to be told they’re ‘real, actual men’. So there’s no need for a made up term for the sex class whose spaces they’re (not) invading, whose safety, privacy and dignity boundaries they’re (not) waving their metaphorical and literal genitalia at and whose opportunities and achievements they’re (not) stealing.

why aren’t men ever called cis men?

They are when they're homosexual/bisexual and informed that they are cisgendered transphobes, iirc.

To fully serve the LGBTQ community and make America truly representative, we need to start by examining the prejudices within our community. Both political organizing and the LGBTQ community began with people who today may identify as transgender. However, trans women and men are often neglected by those who set political priorities of our community, if not treated with outright hostility and prejudice. This blog will focus on historical and ongoing prejudice towards transgender men and women by cisgender gay men, lesbians, and bisexuals.

Attitudes towards transgender folks from both queer and cishet1 people are reflected in the lack of transgender elected officials

victoryinstitute.org/a-look-at-transphobia-within-the-lgbtq-community/

I'm not a sweary person, but I was reading Sharron Davies' Twitter feed last night, saw the photo of 'Emily' and my first thought was 'this is absolutely fucking bonkers.' It's literally a joke. Except it isn't.

Ugh. The nastiness just pours out of it.

@Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky

Emily has adopted the traditional approach of posing entirely alone for photos after their transition so you don’t you know compare them to biological women and remark on the difference

Here is Emily pre transition

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@EmperorsNewClothesBS

Women’s cycling is the next travesty then.

We all know that if a load of (say) droids built like Arnold Schwarzenegger (bear with me!) wanted to ‘transition’ to becoming men and enter the Olympic squad and taking a man’s place, there would be outrage and uproar!

Also - I’ve been wondering this- why aren’t men ever called cis men?

Swimming. Powerlifting. Track and field. Cycling.

I'm waiting for rowing to stop recruiting very tall women and just move on to those who have discovered an urgent need to transition after not qualifying for their own sex class.

Nice to see Sonia O Sullivan add her voice to the debate.

www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/sonia-o-sullivan-transgender-athletes-cannot-be-allowed-to-compete-in-women-s-sport-1.4834586

I notice it is women if a certain age speaking sense on this topic.

@Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky

Emily has adopted the traditional approach of posing entirely alone for photos after their transition so you don’t you know compare them to biological women and remark on the difference

Here is Emily pre transition

Oh. Emily thinks it's a fair race that a biological born male with all the physical advantages races against biological women - you know brought up male and still thinking male despite identifying as female. Biological females know it's not correct for him to compete he just doesn't see it because his arrogant male former self comes to the surface.

Is there a trend with trans people changing their gender in competitive sport? Like is it possible that these men are transitioning just to be successful within the womens sport? Or is that a bit of a leap?

Genuine question.