Female swimmers beaten by transgender athlete stage podium protest at ‘unfair’ result

[whytcvv]

When will the rules change as I completely agree this is unfair and I expect that you will all largely agree with me.

For anyone that doesn't agree, please explain your reasoning to help me better understand.

This reminds me of the weightlifting story from last year.

People that are born female and people who are born male should not be competing in these events together. Our physical bodies are not comparable.

Have as many genders as you can think of, but there are only two possible sexes that you can be born as and that is what eligibility in these competitions should be based on.

AIBU

Don't know how to add poll.

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

some women are stronger, taller than some men and other women. should these women not be allowed to compete?
transmen can compete with cis men in sports.
so transwomen can compete with cis women in sports.
should we have weight and height classes in all sports?
Where does it end?

too much transphobia on here.

@Boredoutmymind

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

some women are stronger, taller than some men and other women. should these women not be allowed to compete?
transmen can compete with cis men in sports.
so transwomen can compete with cis women in sports.
should we have weight and height classes in all sports?
Where does it end?

too much transphobia on here.

Wow so much wrong here! And the irony of you saying do some research! That’s hilarious.

Too much misogyny in that post.

There are two sexes
That swimmer is man.

Of course you’re not being unreasonable.

I don’t understand how trans people assert that they’re born into the wrong body - that being the case, they can’t then expect to compete in that body against people of the other sex.

I would also like to hear from people who think trans women should be able to compete against women, as I’d also like to learn.

I’m a Kiwi who, like many other women here, vehemently disagreed with Laurel Hubbard competing in women’s weight-lifting.

I totally agree with you OP.

There should be a separate category for trans athletes.

Of course there’s only two biological sexes. Some peop live in cloud cuckoo land and are totally delusional.

Biological men should not be racing against women. It’s cheating. Yes, some women are stronger than other women but a biological man has such an advantage that a woman has no chance. More muscle, taller, better lung capacity. Why would someone want to “compete” in this way. It would be like me entering the kids sports day races and taking pleasure in beating eight year olds. 🤷‍♀️

And let’s not forget that women are losing scholarships, etc due to this person.

06:06Boredoutmymind, it doesn't matter how tall etc a woman is, a biological male body has an advantage over a biological female body when it comes to sports and fighting. Why should we change what's been a system since the beginning of time to accommodate transwomen, when it means that they have an unfair advantage over the born women and are obviously going to win? There's no reason why they can't compete as their biological sex, accept generally they aren't good enough to.

I don’t think it’s transphobia in this instance. It’s a multitude of different factors that are making this case unfair and women’s sport needs to be protected. Mens sport will not be affected in the same way.
I’m no athlete myself and I understand that some women are taller / stronger but you can’t really deny that there are physical advantages to being born male. I’m not saying that to take away from this athlete now being a woman. It’s not about that.

My understanding is that sex is determined by the size of the gametes. There are only two size gametes in humans so there’s only two sexes for sure. I’m not sure what sex an indicidual would be if they didn’t ever produce/were never born with gametes, but it’s probably pretty unusual.

What is transphobic?

@Boredoutmymind

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

some women are stronger, taller than some men and other women. should these women not be allowed to compete?
transmen can compete with cis men in sports.
so transwomen can compete with cis women in sports.
should we have weight and height classes in all sports?
Where does it end?

too much transphobia on here.

I mean, what …. ?

Why segregate sport by sex AT ALL, then …. ?

Why not just have men and women compete against each other in all sport?

There are only two sexes, male and female. The fact that some people has DSD doesnt change this and is immaterial to the transgender debate.

Men have a biological advantage over women when it comes to strength and speed. If they didnt sports competitions wouldnt have been segregated in the first place.

As trans women retain much of the physical advantage of their natal sex they should compete with that sex. Its biology not trabsphobia.

Is this about LT? They are a man and it's so grossly unfair on the women competing. There was a story about a woman who was swimming her final competitive race in this event. She came 17th. The top 26 go on to the finals. Truly awful.

I agree op.

I wonder how many trans men are competing in men’s sporting competitions?

It all feels very egotistical, which is ironically mainly a male trait.

@Boredoutmymind

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

some women are stronger, taller than some men and other women. should these women not be allowed to compete?
transmen can compete with cis men in sports.
so transwomen can compete with cis women in sports.
should we have weight and height classes in all sports?
Where does it end?

too much transphobia on here.

Thanks for showing everyone the "quality" of the arguments on the other side.

Generally, the aim of sports is to find the strongest, most skilled, most hard-working people within that category. So sticking a completely bogstandard man into the women's category where he actually has to take it a bit easy because otherwise he trounces his female competition by 30 ish seconds isn't really on, is it?
People say, "well, sports isn't fair anyway. Some people are freakishly tall or have longer arms." Sure, that's true. As with everything in life, some people are born with an advantage. But the whole point of sports is to find those people who have a genetic physical advantage, and the rest of us mere mortals can watch the spectacular things they can do with that and a lot of hard work. That isn't what happens when you put a male in the female category.

Haven’t the professional USA swim body moved to saying testosterone needs to be under a certain level for three years before being allowed to compete? The college swim body needs to move to this. This swimmer wouldn’t have been allowed to compete under these rules. Because it’s unfair!

"My understanding is that sex is determined by the size of the gametes"

Maybe you should do some extra research then because this is nonsense.

@MsWalterMitty

I agree op.

I wonder how many trans men are competing in men’s sporting competitions?

It all feels very egotistical, which is ironically mainly a male trait.

I was wondering the same. I would guess none as they know they would be at a disadvantage

@Boredoutmymind the interesting thing about your comment is that it’s so wrong factually that it can be discounted easily.
Only two sexes can be born.
No real research will ever show anything else.
Ask Robert Winston, he’s an intelligent chap.

It's a challenging subject. Women already have to fight to get recognition in sport and are majorly underfunded in comparison to mens sport. I wonder if rather than mens/womens athletics there's categories based on a set of criteria similar to boxing.

It does seem a bit unfair

Even Caitlyn-Republican-Clueless-Olympian-Jenner is saying it's unfair then....
I don't know why they don't let them compete but add seconds /strokes/metres etc to their results ?

@Boredoutmymind

your wrong saying only 2 sexes can be born. do some research .

some women are stronger, taller than some men and other women. should these women not be allowed to compete?
transmen can compete with cis men in sports.
so transwomen can compete with cis women in sports.
should we have weight and height classes in all sports?
Where does it end?

too much transphobia on here.

Please can you educate us on the other sexes besides male and female? WITHOUT bringing up people with DSD who are still either male or female. Many thanks.

The person question ranks 450ish in the male sport in this event. But 1st in the women's. Hmmm. Absolutely happy for anyone to identify however they choose but this is entirely unfair. Within any comptetive category there will be those with natural advantages but only within a specified range, eg age for childrens' sports, weight for boxers, type of disability for para - athletes. This situation widens that range beyond a point where it is fair. Not sure why they would want to win in this circumstance. As a pp said, I could get full marks in my y8 son's spelling test. Can I identify as a 13 year old and get the gold star? Would it be fair if I did?

@walksen

"My understanding is that sex is determined by the size of the gametes"

Maybe you should do some extra research then because this is nonsense.

I'm not sure it is nonsense, reductionist perhaps but factually correct. There are only two types of gametes and an individual will either produce one or the other.

And according to the other swimmers this person frequently drops their towel in the changing room making it very clear to all that they still have a penis. So now some of the women don’t want to get changed there. Why would this swimmer do that?