Aibu to wonder what Russia is up to in Ireland..

[Chamomiltea]

Reading this was a shock, given recent events... www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2022/0310/1285699-russian-embassy-orwell-road-irish-government/

We are the Republic of Ireland.. independent of..

We fought for our rights of independence from the uk, hence the name republic of,

Back to russia/Ukraine the above argument is getting boring now

I live in Northern Ireland also, and I’ve never referred to it as ‘Southern Ireland’, nor do I recall my colleagues doing so even though we are in daily conversations with other offices in our company based in the Republic. Asides from not being a politically correct way of referencing the Republic, it also sounds geographically wrong when you’re describing somewhere like Donegal which is in the North West of the island but part of the Republic. Our colleagues in England just address us as Ireland or Northern Ireland.

The military drills, hse hacking & now this... Sounds like the Russians are very prominent on our lovely island...
Did anyone hear Christy from Alan on the late late last Fri?
He said our position (as in geographical location) was very precarious & we could be used as a launch pad for nuclear weapons! Scared the bejaysus out of me...
Why do the 30 odd russian diplomats need what's effectivly a bunker? Why seperate water & ESB? What the hell are they planning? They couldn't invade us & take over, we're a neutral country...

@Bellusaurus

The plans also included the provision of 13 toilets in the basement, which is considered unusual for a storage area.

Maybe they have a lot of shit to store 😉

@SunscreenCentral

Where is this Southern Ireland??

It's Cork, Kerry, Waterford and Wexford as far as I'm aware.... Cork always wanted to be it's own little Republic so there you go!!!

@Frazzled50yrold

'P.s. Southern Ireland is generally not considered an acceptable term to refer the the country of Ireland' Considering I live in Northern Ireland I consider Southern Ireland to be a perfectly acceptable term.

Considering Donegal is WEST of the occupied 6 counties of Northern Ireland, is that still SOUTH of Northern Ireland???

Excuse me, @LookItsMeAgain, are you denying the independent status of the People’s Republic?

Just opening up the geographical arguments. Next thing people will be saying is that the moat around Cork is imaginary.

@Mummyoflittledragon

The ROI is not Southern Ireland in much the same way Africa is not a country.

Back to the thread. This is extremely worrying and I wonder how many bunkers there are within Europe. And by Europe I include the U.K. and the ROI, the Channel Islands and IOM as we all part of the European continent.

I know that the German Embassy has a nuclear bunker as they actually said to the residents on the street it's located on that if there ever was an occasion to need to use it, they would be welcome in the bunker too!

@Mummyoflittledragon

The ROI is not Southern Ireland in much the same way Africa is not a country.

Back to the thread. This is extremely worrying and I wonder how many bunkers there are within Europe. And by Europe I include the U.K. and the ROI, the Channel Islands and IOM as we all part of the European continent.

The ROI is not Southern Ireland in much the same way Africa is not a country.

That is illogical.

"Ireland" and "Africa" are both geographical terms.

A better comparison is Republic of Ireland and South Africa.

Using "Ireland" for the southern state was always meant to confuse outsiders, to promote a united Ireland and to act as though the island itself isn't divided into two separate, distinct parts.

Similarly, Latin American countries really hate the appropriation of "America" by the United States. For good reason.

Republic of Ireland and the South are terms I use. Note that in many countries terms such as the South doesn't correspond to geography itself. For example, the US Southern states doesn't correspond to geography.

At any rate, its the ROI posters who've derailed the thread. All of you had an option - not go off on a tangent about the name of the southern state.

@GallopingHighRoad

I have it on good authority they were building a distillery to make illegal vodka from potatoes. They planned to flood Ireland with cheap vodka, killing off Russian vodka imports under a false flag operation.

Sneaky and typical.

Considering Donegal is WEST of the occupied 6 counties of Northern Ireland, is that still SOUTH of Northern Ireland???

Yes, Donegal is still referred to as "the South" literally because "the South" is shorthand for "Southern jurisdiction". It refers to a political reality.

And has never been based on geography.

The same happens around the world, actually. The United States is a good example as they do not officially class California as a southern state even though most of it is in the US South geographically.

No, political realities usually takes precedence over geographical ones. Hence, why the ROI is in the British Isles yet isn't British. One's a geographical reality and the other is a political one.

It's the political reality people usually respond to most.

No doubt these 'southern Ireland' posters are on the windup. Or maybe employees of the Internet Research Agency in St Petersberg? Maybe that's what the mega bunker contains, their ROI branch.

Btw I've mostly lived in SE England and I bloody well know it's Ireland, or the ROI. You have to be some special kind of obtuse to use 'Southern Ireland'.

LOL @Moyny!!!!
Moat you say??? I thought that was town in Westmeath....oh, sorry, that's spelled Moate....

@Feelingthepinch22

The military drills, hse hacking & now this... Sounds like the Russians are very prominent on our lovely island... Did anyone hear Christy from Alan on the late late last Fri? He said our position (as in geographical location) was very precarious & we could be used as a launch pad for nuclear weapons! Scared the bejaysus out of me... Why do the 30 odd russian diplomats need what's effectivly a bunker? Why seperate water & ESB? What the hell are they planning? They couldn't invade us & take over, we're a neutral country...

They couldn't invade us & take over, we're a neutral country...

Do you think the Russians would care about that if they wanted to invade the Republic of Ireland?

No, the reason they won't think about invading the south is because the skies and waters there is protected by the UK's RAF. The Royal Navy also protects the ROI seawaters.

There is an agreement between the UK and ROI Governments on this. Therefore, any Russian attack would constitute an attack on a NATO member state.

Simple.

Btw I've mostly lived in SE England

@ScrambledSmegs

Surely you mean SE Southern Scotland

"Southern Ireland" is commonly used among Protestants in NI. It's not the correct term.
Just as "the North of Ireland" is commonly used among Catholics, even though it's not the correct term.

@Frazzled50yrold

'P.s. Southern Ireland is generally not considered an acceptable term to refer the the country of Ireland' Considering I live in Northern Ireland I consider Southern Ireland to be a perfectly acceptable term.

I live in County Cork in southern Ireland within the REPUBLIC OF IRELAND.

Maybe you failed geography at school?

At any rate, its the ROI posters who've derailed the thread

Facts are important, and the naming of the separate parts of the island of Ireland particularly so given the general ignorance of the UK population, some of whom still think that Ireland is part of the UK.
Andrew Bridgen, Tory MP and prominent Brexiter, claimed in 2018 that being English entitled him to claim an Irish passport.

If Putin gets his way and Ukraine is partitioned, with one side called Ukraine, and the other (Russian controlled) part called Eastern Ukraine, would posters here have a go when those in the Eastern Ukraine struggled to use Ukraine in a way that excluded where they lived? I do always use Ireland when in (RO)Ireland, but when in NI, intuitively, it always needs a distinguisher. Usually, down South, in the South, or….Donegal….Those posters who regularly derail threads like this forget that originally in the Constitution, which called the state Ireland, it was referred to all 32 counties. The country was not renamed when the claim to the 6 counties was relinquished, maybe it should have been?

I don’t really care about a United Ireland or get upset about the “occupied 6 counties”, just explaining why it is not intuitive for Northerners to use Ireland to refer only to that part of the island of Ireland where they do not live.

[quote Chamomiltea]Reading this was a shock, given recent events... www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2022/0310/1285699-russian-embassy-orwell-road-irish-government/[/quote]
Nothing to worry about given the ROI Government has stopped those plans.

It's clear the Russians were planning for a cyberware base to target the UK and the EU as well as cutting them all off from the United States via the Transatlantic cables.

Prevented. Nothing much can be said.

“Occupied 6 counties”. Give me strength!

Southern Ireland isn't an acceptable term, the south of the island are counties in the south ....
This is the legacy of British forces who invaded and occupied Ireland , a bit like Russia and the Ukraine.

@SlatternIsMyMiddleName are you trying to dispute the fact that northern Ireland was occupied by British forces, that Catholics had, until relatively recently very little rights in their own divolved parliament which was predominantly Unionist?

Completely understand where you're coming from Puppalicious, haven't at all forgotten that the name was originally for the 32 counties (though I don't think the intention was ever to confuse as DownNative suggests?) Still, Southern Ireland is one that rankles, so best avoided I think.
This is quite the derail, isn't it?