@YerWanIsGettinNotions
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*@DownNative* I've rarely seen so much wrong as everything you've said in your "patiently explaining why Irish people are wrong and you alone have the correct knowledge" manner.
"The name of the State is Éire, or in the English language, Ireland".. doesn't mean "the name of the state is Éire and it's ok to say that if you don't speak English". It's phrased that way around because it's a translation of the law and the Irish language version has supremacy. That means a less literal translation (if it was written with the English language as primary) would say "The name of the State is Ireland and in the Irish language, Éire."
And this is just outrageous:
Using "Ireland" for the southern state was always meant to confuse outsiders, to promote a united Ireland and to act as though the island itself isn't divided into two separate, distinct parts.
It was never "meant to confuse outsiders". That's not how countries select their own names. Ireland has always been Ireland, and the fact of invasion, plantation and occupation didn't change that. It had a name and a national identity of irishness long before Elizabeth I and the plantation of Ulster. Why should a country which has finally reclaimed its independence have to change its own name because partition was the price of home rule? Ireland is no less Ireland just because it had to surrender six counties.
If you take a chunk of Wales in the east and give it over to administration by the government in England, should the rest of Wales lose the right to be called "Wales", so nobody gets confused between Wales and the English county of East Wales?
@YerWanIsGettinNotions,
I'm afraid that several things you've said is ahistorical and can be demonstrated to be so with evidence.
"The name of the State is Éire, or in the English language, Ireland".. doesn't mean "the name of the state is Éire and it's ok to say that if you don't speak English".
On the contrary, it does not prohibit anyone from using "Éire" whatsoever.
It was never "meant to confuse outsiders". That's not how countries select their own names.
Firstly, what I said isn't outrageous by any means whatsoever. The ROI Constitution is testament to that fact with this:
“the national territory consists of the whole island of Ireland, its islands and the territorial seas.”
Indeed, we can see how true it is that the Irish State chose the name of the entire island for itself as part of its anti-partition campaign from the 1940s onwards here:
"When Ireland launched a major antipartition campaign in the late 1940s, the titles used by the British and Irish governments to refer to each other assumed a greater political significance, because a key component of this campaign was to use international organizations to highlight “Ireland's claim to complete freedom of her entire territory.”
Indeed, an Irish Government department (Department of External Affairs) in 1947 made it clear in a letter to all heads of Irish Government departments that their purpose is:
"to prevent the use—not only at International Conferences, but in ordinary Departmental files and correspondence here at home—of expressions which are not in accordance with our external position and may prove embarrassing to us on policy grounds.”
One of the terms they were referring to was the name....."Ireland".
The then top Irish Civil Servant in the Department of External Affairs told an ambassador to use "Ireland" rather than Éire precisely because:
"As you are aware, it is the hope of everybody in this country that the use of 'Ireland' to describe the Twenty-Six Counties will have a definite psychological effect in favour of the unity of this country on both Irish and foreign minds."
That is a practice that has continued ever since to the present day. Brings us right back to the territorial claims over Northern Ireland in the ROI Constitution for many decades.
Ireland has always been Ireland, and the fact of invasion, plantation and occupation didn't change that.
Always? Really? You must know it's pretty easy to debunk that....surely?
Names for the island of Ireland in history:
Inis Ealga= nobleorexcellent island.
Fiodh-Inis= Woody island.
Crioch Fuinidh=remote country.
Inisfáil = Island of Destiny.
Ériu, Banba and Fódla given by the Daanans.
Scotia and Greater Scotia.
And so on. Point is, you were very much incorrect to claim the island was "always" known as "Ireland".
It had a name and a national identity of irishness long before Elizabeth I and the plantation of Ulster.
It has multiple names. But concepts of Irishness and other nationalities did not occur until the 1750s onwards. The American and French Revolutions were the main origins of this relatively modern phenomenon.
In the 5th Century, St Patrick referred to the inhabitants of the island as Scoti which originally meant the peoples of the two main islands in the British Isles archipelago.
Even the Ulster Cycles tells us that the people of the whole island didn't have a common identity or a common name. And the Cycles does contain kernels of truth as shown by DNA evidence today.
Indeed, history is often incorrectly used to assert a common national identity over the people of the past going back hundreds of years.
"history is indeed an important means of criticising traditions and questioning established wisdoms. But there are many good reasons to avoid history becoming the basis of national identity formation and legitimation. It seems wiser to assume that society would be better off with weak and playful identities rather than those underpinned by a strong sense of a common national past."
www.historyandpolicy.org/
Another mistake people also make is assuming the people identified as a racial group by skin colour. This is also a relatively recent modern phenomenon rooted in the Atlantic Slave Trade.
Ireland is no less Ireland just because it had to surrender six counties.
If you were speaking in purely GEOGRAPHICAL terms, then I'd agree with that.
But you are speaking in political terms, so you're incorrect. The Republic doesn't extend to the entire island and that is a political reality.
Surrender? No, the people of the then 1920 Ireland couldn't agree with each other on the future course. What's more, the Government of Northern Ireland had the democratic right to opt out of the Irish Free State. Today, the Government of the Republic of Ireland recognises that the future of Northern Ireland is only for the people of Northern Ireland to decide. That's democratic.
So, the south cannot surrender what is not theirs. 
If you take a chunk of Wales in the east and give it over to administration by the government in England, should the rest of Wales lose the right to be called "Wales", so nobody gets confused between Wales and the English county of East Wales?,
Illogical. England and Wales do not share the same name. Other partitioned states do not usually share part of the same name.
India - Pakistan and India.
Czechslovakia - Czechia and Slovakia.
Germany - West Germany and East Germany.
Note that West Germany did NOT take the name of all Germany for itself during the years of partition.
In fact, Sinn Féin argue that the Republic should be following the example of the German states by not calling itself "Ireland".
Hence, I posted Gerry Adams' words as an example.
I'm afraid you have no valid argument to make there.