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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

454 replies

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:17

TL;DR

DD is telling her boyfriends parents we neglect and starve her in order to get them to give her money and lifts.

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Thefrenchconnection1 · 06/03/2022 11:21

I have no advice but she sounds just like my 14 yo DD

Xmassprout · 06/03/2022 11:25

I would stop giving her money and lifts. She is 18 with a job. She doesn't need pocket money and she has access to public transport.

If his parents allow themselves to get roped in, that's on them.

Sosigsandwich · 06/03/2022 11:26

She sounds ridiculous and spoilt. Surely pocket money stops when you're earning some money of your own?!

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:28

She just told me I’m abusive for expecting her to get an unsafe bus home in the middle of the night.

We live in rural sussex not the ghetto. And she’s quite happy to stay out late with her mates or at the pub.

I’ve just now really lost my temper with her and I feel awful. I hate this.

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LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 06/03/2022 11:29

This sounds really difficult.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

Did you express this to your dd? Like directly say “We are really troubled by the way you tell lies to manipulate people. What would your bf’s mum think if she knew you had lied to make her come and collect you?”

I’m not saying that would work, I’m just curious. I wish I had proper advice for you.

clpsmum · 06/03/2022 11:29

Stop the pocket money and lifts right away and tell her to grow up. Don't be so flexible with her shifts, I assume nobody else gets special treatment. I imagine she is telling his parents all sorts about you. I'd call her bluff and tell her to. I've put if she's not happy and think she, as an adult, is being neglected

SaltedCaramelIcedLatte · 06/03/2022 11:29

@Xmassprout

I would stop giving her money and lifts. She is 18 with a job. She doesn't need pocket money and she has access to public transport.

If his parents allow themselves to get roped in, that's on them.

Absolutely this
clpsmum · 06/03/2022 11:30

@LemonJuiceFromConcentrate

This sounds really difficult.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

Did you express this to your dd? Like directly say “We are really troubled by the way you tell lies to manipulate people. What would your bf’s mum think if she knew you had lied to make her come and collect you?”

I’m not saying that would work, I’m just curious. I wish I had proper advice for you.

Agree with this too
alwaysmovingforwards · 06/03/2022 11:30

Call his parents to say hi.
Say it would be great to invite them for dinner and a drink.
Bang - connection forged so that you can speak to them about your journey with DD to encouraging her to grow up and take responsibility.

hettie · 06/03/2022 11:31

Don't involve the parents but do try and find a way to talk to your dad about this. You must must do this in a non accusatory curious and non confomtational way. Pick a good time start with a line " I wondered if you could help me understand" start all you questions with 'it seems like" or "I'd it because" or... "Helpe understand xy z behaviour'. Of be trying to understand why she does (you have an assumption it's merely to gain lifts, cash, sympathy make her life easier). You need to accept and show her you aren't angry about this but then be curious with her to see if she's thought through any unintended consequence of her approach. What if she's found out, what if they split up and what are the impacts on her relationship with you/dad... Does she have a plan for becoming more independent or is the plan to live s life trying to get others to do stuff for you? If so ok, fair enough but can she see any downsides?

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 06/03/2022 11:31

Tbh I’ve heard so many perfectly nice adult women say things like “I was genuinely an absolute nightmare to my parents as a teenager, I actually feel terrible thinking back on it now” so fwiw … there is hope it’s a phase.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:31

@LemonJuiceFromConcentrate

This sounds really difficult.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

Did you express this to your dd? Like directly say “We are really troubled by the way you tell lies to manipulate people. What would your bf’s mum think if she knew you had lied to make her come and collect you?”

I’m not saying that would work, I’m just curious. I wish I had proper advice for you.

That’s literally the conversation I just tried to have with her. It did not go well.
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AnneLovesGilbert · 06/03/2022 11:32

She’s taking for complete mugs and seems proud of using each set of parents to manipulate the other. She wants to be treated like an adult and have the benefits of being treated like a child.

I’d tell her to move in with them and stop the lifts and pocket money. She’s got a job, not sure why it’s only part time, but her brother doesn’t which is why he gets pocket money.

She needs a short sharp shock and talking to them might do it.

NuffSaidSam · 06/03/2022 11:34

She doesn't sound very pleasant tbh.

I think she needs to start hearing 'no' a lot more often.

Is she having driving lessons? I think that would be a priority if you're somewhere where the public transport isn't great.

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 06/03/2022 11:34

Argh how frustrating.

So did she directly try to defend the lying? Or did she just deflect and switch the focus to you being abusive?

MorningStarling · 06/03/2022 11:34

Don't make your first contact with them be about you insisting you're not abusing or neglecting your daughter. That's exactly what an abusive or neglectful parent would do and it will just cement their negative opinion of you.

I suspect your daughter genuinely believes what she's saying, that you're not feeding her/looking after her properly. A lot of teenagers and younger adults have the misapprehension that the world owes them something, usually money, and your daughter probably feels that you are not treating her fairly by refusing to give lifts or lunch money. It's part of growing up and learning to stand on your own two feet but it's not easy for some who feel that since their parents decided to bring them into the world, it's up to their parents to look after them and provide them with what they feel is necessary.

Mamamia7962 · 06/03/2022 11:34

I think you need to stop giving her pocket money and money for lunch. She earns £200 a month so roughly £40-50 a week. What does she spend that money on if she's always asking for more?

If she has a bus pass then she can use that. When she's out with her boyfriend doesn't he make sure that she gets s safely home?

Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 06/03/2022 11:35

You need to set firmer boundaries. You are giving into her whims and tantrums.

If she wants pocket money like a ten year old then she can have the restrictions that also apply to a ten year old. No? Then she can behave like the adult she wants to be and sort herself out.

She is 18 and you have little control now, she may just move to her bf’s house. But boundaries are still worth implementing - alongside repeated reminders that you still love her and you are helping her take responsibility for herself.

I wouldn’t get involved with the bf’s parents, if they fall out with her she’ll never forgive you at this stage.

Welldarn · 06/03/2022 11:36

Let her do what she wants with his parents, maybe they like her and don’t mind running her around. But you need to decide if you are happy giving her money and lifts everywhere or not. Then stick with what you choose, give her lifts and money and don’t complain about it or don’t give her lifts and money and see how it goes (watch her move back into more wonderful boyfriends parents house).Grin. My son had a girlfriend who came every night for dinner, then moved in and we give her lifts occasionally. She is lovely and we didn’t mind at all. Now they are married and live with us, and she is home for dinner more evenings than my son is Smile. She is also a brilliant sister in law to 16 year old Dd. We all love her and don’t mind looking after an extra adult. I wouldn’t treat her any differently to my son.

lateral · 06/03/2022 11:37

You wouldn't involve the parents at this stage. From their POV you have been happy for her to be there and would only be getting in touch to defend yourself - no matter what you say you won't come out of it looking good. A PP suggested inviting them for dinner but tbh I think that shop has sailed and if you wanted to be in contact with the people your DD was living with you should have done it ages ago, and for her benefit to ensure all was ok, not now because you think they are thinking badly of you. Moving forward I would try inviting your DD for dinner, the relationship you one had has changed so if she has all but moved out you can help the transition by treating her like an adult. I would t say no more lifts but I think you can pick and choose, so if she wants to visit you could pick her up or drop her off, but be clear that she doesn't live with you so you won't be dropping everything to run after her anymore. The pocket money thing is bizarre, why is she dictating you give her money to match a younger sibling? Just stop that. The only other thing I would do would be to ensure she knows she can come home any times she wants/needs to and while you won't drive her about day to day you will absolutely collect her if she needs it.

Pedalpushers · 06/03/2022 11:38

It will be easier for you if you don't care how you look to his parents - your DD can say whatever she likes, it isn't true and it only comes back to bite her in the end. Stop giving her money and lifts and special treatment and let her cry to her boyfriends parents, you might find they have more of a measure of her than you think and if she wants to make things their problem, let her. She'll regret it soon enough.

heartmag · 06/03/2022 11:39

Could you write them an unemotional letter saying you are concerned they might not be getting the full picture from DD and want to let them know that

DD has a room at your house
You buy food for DD to have meals at your house
You pay for DD's annual bus pass
You make sure her working hours end before the last bus home if she doesn't have a lift arranged

You can say DD is an adult now and you respect that but give them your contact details if they need to get in touch.

Write it, send it to them and give a copy to her.

BronwenFrideswide · 06/03/2022 11:40

Sounds like it is time for her to stand on her own two feet, you are, unintentionally, enabling her behaviour towards you. I would imagine the boyfriend's parents will soon get fed up with being taken for mugs as well and maybe already are seeing as she is spending more time at your house than theirs lately.

TheSandgroper · 06/03/2022 11:48

I’m afraid I am one for sticking my oar in so would set about fact finding with the other parents. No emotion, no blaming. Just a simple fact finding mission.

Then I might unleash hell but at least I would be on the firmest ground I could find.

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