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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

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Nanny0gg · 06/03/2022 12:22

@JanetPluchinsky

She’s at college full time, only in her first year as she failed the first first year.

She is happy enough to stay out late/walk home/public transport when it’s on her terms but yes she was playing the safety card last night.

She has just told me I’m lazy and abusive for not picking her up last night. I’d worked a 13hr shift yesterday and DH had to be up at 6 this morning for work. She has no empathy.

Why did she fail? Insufficient work?
mrsm43s · 06/03/2022 12:22

She is a child in full time education. I think many posters are missing this. I don't know anyone who has cut off financial, practical or emotional support to their sixth formers.

As a minimum you should be paying for phone, any co-curricular activities, books and equipment, lunches, travel, essential school trips and a liveable allowance. Yes, all in, that does cost a fair bit, but its the expense of having a child, just as childcare, or school uniforms or pocket money etc are. I would also expect at that age that you will be her go to for lifts and help. Her peers will almost certainly be getting that from their parents, so I can see why she feels that you aren't supportive, and has chosen to semi move out into another family who support her more.

Woollystockings · 06/03/2022 12:23

I have a similar aged daughter at sixth form,and I find it really odd that you give her £5 a week "pocket money" rather than an age appropriate allowance (say £1-200/month) like her peers will get,

£100-200 a month is absolutely not what her peers would get! Not in my world. My DC got no pocket money at all at that age in sixth form. We did pay for their phones and hobbies and travel cards, though. They both had small part-time jobs that brought in some extra cash.

Pixilicious · 06/03/2022 12:23

Why would OP give £200 a month to he DD when she has a job? Once I got a Saturday/weekend job at 15 my mum paid for school clothes and fed us and the pocket money stopped. How much money do you people have??

Notanotherwindow · 06/03/2022 12:24

Oh fuck this for a lark! Stop giving her money, wtf?

She's an adult, if she wants money she can work for it.

If she doesn't want to get the bus she can learn to drive, which you have very very generously offered to fund!

As for neglect, are you joking, her life is cushy as fuck. You neglect children who can't care for themselves, you can't 'neglect' a grown woman.

She has a job and if she is short of money then she needs to work more. Pocket money is for children. She needs to grow up.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 12:24

Yeah she didn’t do any of the work. She then got an apprenticeship and got sacked from that for the same reason. She’s very lucky to have been offered a second chance at college and tbf she seems to be doing well with this course. Her job is very easy, she just collects glasses (I employed her when was 17) and she gets paid £10 an hour.

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mrsm43s · 06/03/2022 12:25

Why did she fail? Insufficient work?

Well since she seems to be expected to financially support herself as an adult whilst still in full time education, I imagine she struggled to get the work done on top of late night shifts to pay for her food and day to day living. She's not being treated or supported like the sixth form age child that she is, and so is being set up to fail by her parents. Hopefully she might do better since it seems that her boyfriends parents have stepped up to provide the parenting support that she needs.

5thnonblonde · 06/03/2022 12:26

I wouldn’t give her extra cash if she’s smoking and drinking excessively- but I would pay for things like clothing/phone etc. If she’s got no real fixed costs having loads of disposable income to spend on addictive substances while her judgement is clearly still developing isn’t doing her any favours

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 12:26

We also pay for her phone, all college expenses and clothes etc. Her money is literally fun money.

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 12:26

@mrsm43s

Why did she fail? Insufficient work?

Well since she seems to be expected to financially support herself as an adult whilst still in full time education, I imagine she struggled to get the work done on top of late night shifts to pay for her food and day to day living. She's not being treated or supported like the sixth form age child that she is, and so is being set up to fail by her parents. Hopefully she might do better since it seems that her boyfriends parents have stepped up to provide the parenting support that she needs.

She wasn’t working during her first year.
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NotNotNotMyName · 06/03/2022 12:26

I think you need to first explain all this to her BF’s parents and highlight the support you do give her. Ask them to stop giving her money, lifts etc.

Second in a planned and calm confront your DD together with your DH, she is manipulative and needs to be called out in it. FFS she is telling them she’s neglected, she’s 18 not 8!

My kids do this too though, it’s infuriating. They complain we have no food all the time but what they really mean is no biscuits and chocolate 🙄 I’ve stopped buying that now! 😆

I would also encourage her to learn to drive and she really needs to get a job elsewhere. Stop holding her up.

My DSIS is very manipulative and I think it partly personality and upbringing (we went to different schools so each have our own outlooks in life) but also comes from being spoilt - she is my mum’s favourite and ironically this has done her no favours.

SlothMama · 06/03/2022 12:28

Stop the pocket money, she's an adult with a job. Don't enable her, eventually his parents will get fed up with her

whiteworldgettingwhiter · 06/03/2022 12:30

Why didn't you contact the bf's parents when she left home to live with him?? That's what I would have done, along with trying everything I could for her to stay at home.

But I would contact them now. Sort things out. Give them your side of. the story and ask for theirs - what is dd like when she's with them? Are they happy having her to stay or do they never want to see her again? That kind of thing.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 12:31

She is completely funded and supported by us. She has an iPhone 12, the latest iPad, she has a large double bedroom in a house full of food and mod cons. We have great public transport here, busses to and from town every fifteen minutes (plus it’s only a half hour walk). She isn’t expected to support herself ffs.

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peachy3 · 06/03/2022 12:32

Pocket money at 18? Surely not Confused

She’s an adult with a job. From 16 no matter what I made my own way home from work no matter the time and I used my own money from my job since I didn’t go to college. She needs to grow up but you also need to lay down the law with her. Don’t give her money for anything, she is getting paid a wage. Stop giving lifts unless she absolutely needs one, if the boyfriends mother wants to baby her then that’s on her but I’m sure she’ll get sick of it after a while.

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 06/03/2022 12:33

@mrsm43s

Why did she fail? Insufficient work?

Well since she seems to be expected to financially support herself as an adult whilst still in full time education, I imagine she struggled to get the work done on top of late night shifts to pay for her food and day to day living. She's not being treated or supported like the sixth form age child that she is, and so is being set up to fail by her parents. Hopefully she might do better since it seems that her boyfriends parents have stepped up to provide the parenting support that she needs.

At £10 an hour, she's working 20 hours a month.
5thnonblonde · 06/03/2022 12:33

How do you think she’d react if you asked her to draw up a budget to present to you and her dad. Tell her you’ll absolutely be interrogating each line and she’ll be expected to justify it and keep to it. You could trial it for a month, tell her the money was dependent on one family meal a month prepared for (and attended by) her or something.

KateTheEighth · 06/03/2022 12:33

And take the driving lesson fund away from her unless she learns to drive by a certain time (starts lessons by Easter). She's not bothered to learn because she effectively has a fleet of taxis at her service.

I pay for my kids' driving lessons but only if they learn when they are 17. It's not an open ended offer.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 12:35

I try not to compare them, but DS1 worked full time in the summer and Christmas (also at my place) and saved almost every penny so he can concentrate on Uni without a part time job. He used to walk to and from work by choice rather than pay for a bus. I’d assumed we’d support him through University but he hasn’t needed us to.

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Mamamia7962 · 06/03/2022 12:36

mrsm43s - She doesn't have any day to day living expenses. The OP pays for her bus pass and she can take a packed lunch if she wants to. That is what my daughter did when she was in 6th form. If she wants to buy her lunch then she can use her own money for that instead of spending it on cigarettes.

Why should the OP give her £200 a month on top of the £200 she earns.

PatchworkElmer · 06/03/2022 12:36

Wow. She’s taking the mickey if she’s happy to do that journey for nights out. I’d stop offering her lifts, give her a set amount of money a month and no more. Plenty of 18 year olds are at uni budgeting and getting public transport on their own- she’s an adult, she needs to learn some independence.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 12:36

Yes she works 7-12 once a week. Hardly onerous.

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JudgeJ · 06/03/2022 12:38

@Xmassprout

I would stop giving her money and lifts. She is 18 with a job. She doesn't need pocket money and she has access to public transport.

If his parents allow themselves to get roped in, that's on them.

Exactly! If she likes his house so much more then tell her to move there, permanently, his parents will soon get fed up of her self-entitled attitude.
SoupDragon · 06/03/2022 12:38

@mrsm43s are you actually the OP's DD? You seem to be wilfully misunderstanding the information given.

LittleOwl153 · 06/03/2022 12:38

Is she going to pass college this year? Sounds to me like she's the lazy one and she's backing up excuses to set herself up going forward in the lazy life she'd like to become accustomed to.

As a PP said I'd invite the BFs parents round to tea or something - so that they can make the connection with you if they wish. You might just then find out what she's been telling them. But other than that I wouldn't get involved with them.

Is bF / his parents much more wealthy than you and she's living the high life there?