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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 06/03/2022 12:41

@mrsm43s

Why did she fail? Insufficient work?

Well since she seems to be expected to financially support herself as an adult whilst still in full time education, I imagine she struggled to get the work done on top of late night shifts to pay for her food and day to day living. She's not being treated or supported like the sixth form age child that she is, and so is being set up to fail by her parents. Hopefully she might do better since it seems that her boyfriends parents have stepped up to provide the parenting support that she needs.

Have you read ALL the OP's posts?

Because that is an absolute load of nonsense

KindlyKanga · 06/03/2022 12:41

Has she ever used the bus? I knew some people st that age who were frightened/reluctant to use the bus not sure why.

Annette32123 · 06/03/2022 12:42

@mrsm43s

Why did she fail? Insufficient work?

Well since she seems to be expected to financially support herself as an adult whilst still in full time education, I imagine she struggled to get the work done on top of late night shifts to pay for her food and day to day living. She's not being treated or supported like the sixth form age child that she is, and so is being set up to fail by her parents. Hopefully she might do better since it seems that her boyfriends parents have stepped up to provide the parenting support that she needs.

Are you reading some fantasy thread I can’t see?
billy1966 · 06/03/2022 12:43

I have children this age and she sounds both spoiled and deeply unpleasant.

I would be utterly mortified at one of my children being so lazy and entitled as to use a family that sound very kind.

The way she speaks to you is appalling.

I would stop all money and lifts and tell her you will be contacting the family and informing them of her lies.

You don't have to do it of course but it might give her pause for thought.

I would be asking her what they will think of her when they know how many lies she is telling them.

This is really awful behaviour and certainly not normal selfish teenage behaviour.

I have normal selfish teenage behaviour in this house! 🙄

Lying to this woman and asking to be collected because she has lied about you, is just dreadful.

She is a spoiled brat and I wouldn't be confident that she will improve.

She has absolutely no respect for you and none for this other family either.

You have my genuine sympathy.

I would not be tolerating this.

mrsm43s · 06/03/2022 12:44

I don't know, this thread just breaks my heart.

I have a same age DD.

If she was pulling away from me and clearly sad and feeling unsupported to the point that she has virtually joined another family for support, I'd be showering her with love and attention, not pushing her away.

Teenagers are arseholes, yes. But that is because of their hormones and brain development. They are still children. They need love and support and understanding and endless patience. The "tough love" approach does nothing long term apart from push them away.

I would be suggesting that she needs to move back home (bar the odd night sleeping over), gives up work to concentrate on her studies, you give her a reasonable allowance and lunch money in return for her concentrating on her work and good grades, give her lifts when needed late night (it's very different on a late bus on your own than with your friends), and get her starting her driving lessons.

Do some nice things together as a family, and also maybe just you and her - a meal out, a day shopping, a manicure or spa treatment.

Shower her with love, and bring her back into the fold. She is just a child, a big one, yes, but teenage years are hard. However much this is breaking your heart, I can guarantee its breaking hers more.

Woollystockings · 06/03/2022 12:46

@mrsm43s

Why did she fail? Insufficient work?

Well since she seems to be expected to financially support herself as an adult whilst still in full time education, I imagine she struggled to get the work done on top of late night shifts to pay for her food and day to day living. She's not being treated or supported like the sixth form age child that she is, and so is being set up to fail by her parents. Hopefully she might do better since it seems that her boyfriends parents have stepped up to provide the parenting support that she needs.

Don’t be ridiculous. Of course she isn’t expected to buy food or day to day living! Her parents do that, as you do for any child in sixth form or college.
butterpuffed · 06/03/2022 12:47

She has you twisted round her little finger . It does sound like you're worried about her reaction when you speak to her "it didn't go well" and her calling you abusive.

Time she realised you're the parent, not her. You should be sticking up for yourself, not trying to please her and giving in to her ~ the extra money she demanded to match that of her brother was ridiculous yet you gave it to her !

HaudYerWheestFella · 06/03/2022 12:48

Lmfao @ this thread breaking someone’s heart. Really? Ffs.

Hollyhead · 06/03/2022 12:48

Not the point but I’m quite impressed rural Sussex has a bus that late at night! Where I live the last bus back from town is 5pm!

CinnamonJellyBeans · 06/03/2022 12:49

I'd make sure there is always suitable food at home to make herself a packed lunch, so she cannot ask for lunch money.

I would not leave a 17 (or any female) to get a bus at 11:15pm, regardless of what time I was working. That would be a no from me and DH.

She's not actually costing you all that much at the moment. You make it sound like she's a parasite, but most parents pay for transport, food, school stuff, unless they are actually poor and the child is having to take on the burden themselves.

I would not allow a 17 year old to stay at another family home so much. She belongs in your home.

She sounds like she is playing you off against the other mum. This is working because you show it affects you and the other mum is probably also sucking up the favourable comparisons.

DelphiniumBlue · 06/03/2022 12:50

@mrsm43s

Why did she fail? Insufficient work?

Well since she seems to be expected to financially support herself as an adult whilst still in full time education, I imagine she struggled to get the work done on top of late night shifts to pay for her food and day to day living. She's not being treated or supported like the sixth form age child that she is, and so is being set up to fail by her parents. Hopefully she might do better since it seems that her boyfriends parents have stepped up to provide the parenting support that she needs.

But she's not supporting herself financially! She has a home, nowhere does it say she is even contributing to bills, let alone covering her share, and and as OP has said, has access to a fridge with food in it. If she is earning 10 pounds ph, and gets 200 pm, that is 5 hours work a week, hardly enough to affect her studying. I'm wondering what planet some people are on, do people really give their able-bodied adult teenagers a fiver a day lunch money, and pocket money, on top of covering their travel costs etc? How much disposable income do some of you guys have? Just by way of comparison, my 3 DC were all too idle to work while studying. That didn't mean I had the money to shell out what would have been 75 quid a week for lunches, when their father and I took packed lunches to save money. The sad talk of "late night shifts" to pay for for food and day to day living is so narrow-minded and oblivious to the OPs living circumstances. Working in a pub/restaurant at 18 is not being hard-done-by, it's normal.
Mamamia7962 · 06/03/2022 12:50

mrsm43s - She does have a loving supportive family who pay everything for her. The money she earns is from one night a week. You make it sound like she has to work 7 nights a week. Having a job at that age gives young adults, and that is what she is, she is not a child, a sense of independence and teaches them responsibility and helps them to budget money.

JenniferAlisonPhilipaSue · 06/03/2022 12:53

so your DD, when still 17, was living with her boyfriend's parents whom you have never met, but your issue is not that, its that she's asking for lifts and money? I think you have your issues the wrong way round!!!

I think its a bit too late to start complaining about your daughter's behaviour. You should have parented much better much sooner.

MadinMarch · 06/03/2022 12:53

@mrsm43s
She is a child in full time education. I think many posters are missing this. I don't know anyone who has cut off financial, practical or emotional support to their sixth formers.

As a minimum you should be paying for phone, any co-curricular activities, books and equipment, lunches, travel, essential school trips and a liveable allowance. Yes, all in, that does cost a fair bit, but its the expense of having a child, just as childcare, or school uniforms or pocket money etc are. I would also expect at that age that you will be her go to for lifts and help. Her peers will almost certainly be getting that from their parents, so I can see why she feels that you aren't supportive, and has chosen to semi move out into another family who support her more.

Are you the OP's daughter?
Joking aside, your position isn't very realistic. Many families simply wouldn't have the £400-500 it would cost to give their daughter this amount on a monthly basis.It's this costly as the daughter here has made a unilateral decision to move out of her own parents house. If she lived at home, she could better take advantage of packed lunches, emotional support, lifts etc etc. without the additional expenses.

It always amazes me why someone else's parents decide to allow someone else's child/young person to live with them, without any prior discussion and agreement, and a proper plan, with the parents of that young person, when they have a perfectly adequate home of their own. It's usually a recipe for disaster, and doesn't do the young person any favours.

StScholastica · 06/03/2022 12:54

People are trying to help you out here OP, no need to start FFSing.

Sit down with her and tell her honestly how you feel. Tell her you love her but feel taken for granted. Do you do any "nice" bonding things together? Even if it's just a dog walk or a coffee out.
Stop with the "lift or money" comments to "whoever is in the room", that is snarky. It will get back to her and is just fuel on the fire.
Do you get family allowance for her? You should do as she's in college. Look into claiming it. We just gave our DD that. It was only about £88 a month back then but she coped. She had to, we had no more to give.
In respect of the iPhone 12, if you buy her expensive showy items, you can hardly then criticise her for being materialistic.
I hope things pick up soon.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 12:54

@Hollyhead

Not the point but I’m quite impressed rural Sussex has a bus that late at night! Where I live the last bus back from town is 5pm!
Ha yeah rural is not quite the right word, but we live in a sleepy village on the outskirts of a small market town and the busses are weirdly excellent.
OP posts:
Shade17 · 06/03/2022 12:55

Time for her to pull her finger out and learn to drive

UnconditionalSurrender · 06/03/2022 12:55

I'd be affronted by what she has done and I'd either phone the other parents or drop by to see them and apologise- explaining everything. She is exploiting this woman's good nature and then using it as a stick to beat you despite the fact you gave her a job. Its horrible. She needs to learn some hard life lessons here. I have teens and they can be dicks but this is not acceptable.

Notimeforaname · 06/03/2022 12:57

OP stop the pocket money and all lifts.
Do not speak to the boyfriends parents about this. Nothing to do with them.

On paper this girl doesn't sound nice at all. Drinks and smokes all her money, lies, manipulates and demands to have the same pocket money as her 10 year old brother?
It's a joke. Let her cry neglect to anyone who'll listen.
Shes an 18 year old adult. Not a kid.

OP stop giving her a single thing. Shes taking it all and demanding more. Let her budget her own money as she is an adult now. She will have fuck all life skills if this carrys on.

PegasusReturns · 06/03/2022 12:57

I have DC similar age. It’s really tough.

I think all you can do is continue to provide the support that you do and don’t rise to the bait. I wouldn’t bother contacting the BFs parents

peboh · 06/03/2022 12:59

There are several things to unpack here.
You need to sit down as a family and address the lying that your daughter is doing, however you do not need to bring her boyfriends parents into this. This a family matter.

However I will say I absolutely wouldn't feel comfortable with my dd at 18 taking a bus home at 11pm. During the day, absolutely but late at night is a no for me. So if I was the boyfriends mum, I also would have given her a lift.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 12:59

We don’t get CB because she left college, I haven’t bothered reapplying because DH has to pay it back anyway.

We’ve tried really hard to keep her connected, we make sure she is part of all days out, trips to restaurants etc. We spent half term as a family, with the boyfriend in tow as well (trips to London, ice skating, we ate out almost every day. She will be coming on holiday with us in the summer.

She never officially moved in with the BF but just started spending more and more time there and before we realised she was there almost permanently. It came to a head at Christmas when he went incommunicado for two days and I managed to get through to her that it was all too intense and he needed a bit of space, he’s a lovely lad but very quiet and I don’t think he felt able to tell her to go home.

OP posts:
Hiddenvoice · 06/03/2022 13:01

I think you’ve provided a lot of support to your dd.
At 18 I lived at home, was in full time education, had a part time job, boyfriend and didn’t drive. Pocket money stopped when I got a job. My parents joked about giving me lift’s but they did it anyway. They didn’t pay for my phone bill etc- if I wanted to go out and buy new stuff then it was up to me to figure out my wages and bills as I was an adult. I stayed at my boyfriends house many nights a week and eventually my parents contacted his just so they can get to know each other. I’m not much older than your daughter and j think she is being manipulative.

As you said, you let her finish at a reasonable time- ask her if there is any reason for why she didn’t want to get the bus home- was she worried about something?
Stop the pocket money- she isn’t a child, she lives rent free, up to her now to manage her money.
Speak to calmly and come to an agreement if things going forward.
Seems like she still wants to be treated as a child and also an adult which she can’t have both.

Mossstitch · 06/03/2022 13:03

I've raised 3, different circumstances as there wasn't really spare money so none of them got pocket money but they managed well enough with birthday money from grandparents ect. Anything they wanted they got but knew that sometimes they had to wait for it whilst I saved up. They have all turned out to be very good at budgeting and saving money for what they want......... There is no way that I would have given pocket money, even if I was a millionaire, if they used it to smoke nor £5 a day for lunch, they took food from home. I think I would withdraw that and don't rise to it when she compares you with her boyfriend's parents, just grey rock 'mmmmm that's nice dear'. Sounds like it's time she grew up and took responsibility for her own actions, if that is taking advantage of the other parents so be it, eventually they will get fed up with it and come up with their own strategies for dealing with her. If she keeps running out of money it may encourage her to give up the smoking😜

Nanny0gg · 06/03/2022 13:04

So his parents should have sent her home

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