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I need to speak to them, don’t I?

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:05

DD is just turned 18. She’s been with her boyfriend a year.

Before Christmas she basically lived at his for about three months and only came home briefly once a week or so, to fetch things. She did spend Christmas Day with us but couldn’t wait to go back to his house. She spent the whole day telling us how much better and nicer his parents are than us, better food, nicer house, better Xmas tree ffs. We’ve tried really hard to not rise to this btw.

She’s been spending much more time at home since the start of the year, which has been lovely, and I gave her a job at the restaurant I manage.

She constantly asks me and DH for lifts and money. Constantly. It’s a running joke that I’ll say ‘money or a lift?’ to whoever’s next to me before answering the phone to her and it is ALWAYS one or the other. We pay for an open bus pass for her btw and she still gets £20 pocket money a month on top of about £200 pt wage (pocket money is to match what we give 10yo DS because she said it was unfair).

So this is all background. Yesterday she was meant to be working until midnight. She usually gets a lift home with me, or a colleague, or the boyfriend but none of us were finishing at the same time. The last bus home was 11.15.

I said that was absolutely fine, and changed her hours to finish at 11pm.

She then said to DH that she couldn’t (as in she’d asked me and I’d said no) leave work early and he’d have to pick her up at midnight. The lie fell apart as soon as I got home, obviously, and I told her she’d be leaving at 11pm and getting the bus home. She said ok.

Her boyfriend’s mother drove her home.

She had phoned this woman and told her we’d left her stranded in town with no way of getting home. So she’d driven a half hour round trip to pick the poor stranded child up and take her home.

DD was quite proud to tell us this. ‘X cares about my safety and didn’t want me getting a late bus home’. I cannot get my head round DD phoning this woman, lying to her about the situation. And being quite happy for her to come out late at night to take her home to save herself a fifteen fucking minute bus ride.

I get the impression she has told BFs parents we are basically starving and stranding her. We’ve never met them despite asking.

I don’t have any contact details for them but I do know the house (having dropped DD there countless times despite being an awful parent who never gives lifts). I feel like I need to tell them that we are not the abusive neglectful parents DD is making out!

She is always asking for money for lunch, a big bugbear of mine, when we have a house full of food. I’m pretty sure she makes out to his parents that we starve her. I’m just not giving her a fiver a day for lunch at college. And I often find out they’ve picked her up from college or they drop her home, it’s all walkable and she has an open (expensive!) bus pass.

Should I talk to them? Or do I need to get over this and let her manipulate them into parenting her?

It also doesn’t feel great that DD is happy to lie and manipulate like this but I don’t know how to get through to her.

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JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:51

I have been asking to meet his parents since day one by the way. But I have no way of contacting them (short of knocking on their door) and it’s just never happened.

She smokes and drinks so that’s where her money goes. She has a fund for driving lessons and a car but has never taken us up on this.

It’s not special treatment to let her leave work early, just to address that, I’ll always make sure any of my team (they’re all quite young) can get home safely whether that’s by public transport or a lift.

I just don’t know how to mend my relationship with her, she’s made it clear just now that she thinks we neglect her and it’s no wonder she never wants to be at home. My own parents chucked me out at sixteen (and then moved house!) and I’ve always said all my DC have a home with us as long as they want and I think she’s playing on that a bit.

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WouldIwasShookspeared · 06/03/2022 11:53

I'd show her what life could be like by stopping giving her lifts and extra money.
You claim this is how you're living? Fine. This is how you're living.

Howshouldibehave · 06/03/2022 11:53

I would imagine the boyfriends mother will soon get sick of her! She sounds incredibly manipulative

clpsmum · 06/03/2022 11:55

I wouldn't kick her out tbh but I would definitely stop giving her lifts and pocket money. She is an adult.

It was me who said don't give her special treatment at work didn't mean any offence.

mrsm43s · 06/03/2022 11:56

I have a similar aged daughter at sixth form,and I find it really odd that you give her £5 a week "pocket money" rather than an age appropriate allowance (say £1-200/month) like her peers will get, and that you refuse to pay for her lunches at college. You also seem to begrudge giving her lifts. I would say she's pulling away from you because you are no longer treating her like a child that you love and look after, and seem to be expecting her to go it alone. Presumably she's getting that support and feeling cared for from her BFs parents. She's a child still in schooling who you are still wholly responsible for. Stop treating her like an independent adult that you owe nothing too. I wouldn't want my same aged daughter catching late night buses, or having to work (late!) to fund basics such as college lunches, or having to find her support from another family when she is still below legal school leaving age. She's still a child - your child. She's on the cusp of adulthood, yes, and probably a colossal pain in the bum, jumping between knowing it all and being needy, but she still needs looking after.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:57

@clpsmum

I wouldn't kick her out tbh but I would definitely stop giving her lifts and pocket money. She is an adult.

It was me who said don't give her special treatment at work didn't mean any offence.

Ah none taken. Smile
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username9871028 · 06/03/2022 11:58

She sounds like a spoilt brat. At 18 you need to set some boundaries and stop pandering to her every demand. It has nothing to do with what her boyfriends parents may think.

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 11:59

@mrsm43s

I have a similar aged daughter at sixth form,and I find it really odd that you give her £5 a week "pocket money" rather than an age appropriate allowance (say £1-200/month) like her peers will get, and that you refuse to pay for her lunches at college. You also seem to begrudge giving her lifts. I would say she's pulling away from you because you are no longer treating her like a child that you love and look after, and seem to be expecting her to go it alone. Presumably she's getting that support and feeling cared for from her BFs parents. She's a child still in schooling who you are still wholly responsible for. Stop treating her like an independent adult that you owe nothing too. I wouldn't want my same aged daughter catching late night buses, or having to work (late!) to fund basics such as college lunches, or having to find her support from another family when she is still below legal school leaving age. She's still a child - your child. She's on the cusp of adulthood, yes, and probably a colossal pain in the bum, jumping between knowing it all and being needy, but she still needs looking after.
You think I should give her £200 plus another £100 a month for lunch? Did you miss the part where I’m a manager in hospitality, not a Hedge Fund manager? Insane.
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DogsAndGin · 06/03/2022 12:01

I wouldn’t worry - the BF’s family will be on the receiving end of this same treatment soon/they already are. They’ll know exactly what she’s like. Sorry, I know I’m talking about your DD, but she is going the right way to have a very chaotic life.

RedskyThisNight · 06/03/2022 12:03

Is she still in education other than the part time job? If so, I can see why you've kept on the pocket money and the bus pass (have done the same with my same age DS). It's closer to being at school than it is to being in adult working life. It's not really the same as being an adult with a proper wage coming in.

Was she genuinely concerned about getting the late bus? I know plenty of (much older) adult woman who also won't get buses on their own late at night.

I'd encourage her to take up the driving lessons too. Then she'll be more independent.

OchreDandelion · 06/03/2022 12:04

Drop a card through their door inviting them to drinks and nibbles at yours?

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 12:08

She’s at college full time, only in her first year as she failed the first first year.

She is happy enough to stay out late/walk home/public transport when it’s on her terms but yes she was playing the safety card last night.

She has just told me I’m lazy and abusive for not picking her up last night. I’d worked a 13hr shift yesterday and DH had to be up at 6 this morning for work. She has no empathy.

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Staryflight445 · 06/03/2022 12:09

Stop paying for her bus pass since she’s lying to get lifts and not using it.
Stop giving her financial handouts whilst she is disrespecting you.

There’s no need to be behaving this way at 18 at all.

Staryflight445 · 06/03/2022 12:10

Empathy is something we learn from experiencing hard times ourselves.

Stop the handouts immediately and ask her for her bus pass back since she lied last night and didn’t use it.
Tell her you’ll give it to someone who will actually appreciate it and not someone who lies and manipulates to make their life easier.

SoupGiveMeSoup · 06/03/2022 12:11

Drop a card through their door asking them to meet up for a coffee give them your phone number etc.

There have been plenty of cases on here where parents did meet up and the whole they treat me like shit has been exposed as a lie. Teenagers can be very manipulative about their supposed horrific home life which can mean I demand things and my parents say no.

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 06/03/2022 12:12

I think you should meet the bf's parents. I would either knock on the door and introduce myself or drop a note through the door with your contact details on inviting them for a coffee. I think your dd is playing the two sets of parents off against each other and that is why she doesn't want you to meet.

Thewiseoneincognito · 06/03/2022 12:12

Playing devils advocate here. I don’t think £200 per month is enough for anyone to be expected to essentially feed themselves and provide their own transport, I’m not saying give her more but just be aware of her perceived ‘poverty’.

She’s 18, the big wide world will teach her some harsh lessons in time so she does need to wise up but I’d just be mindful that she can’t be expected to fend for herself with £200. The poor bfs family 🤣

Nanny0gg · 06/03/2022 12:15

@JanetPluchinsky

She just told me I’m abusive for expecting her to get an unsafe bus home in the middle of the night.

We live in rural sussex not the ghetto. And she’s quite happy to stay out late with her mates or at the pub.

I’ve just now really lost my temper with her and I feel awful. I hate this.

Why do you feel awful?

She's a manipulative little madam and your facilitating it.

Why do you want her home when she basically takes the piss?

And stop funding her. She has a job. That's what she spends. Is she in education as well?
(Oh, and she does the hours she's contracted to do, Unless you'd change things for the other staff as well)

Who cares what the BF parents think? You don't know them and they'll see through her eventually

5thnonblonde · 06/03/2022 12:15

Yeesh. Don’t they go through a developmental leap in their late teens and their brains go a bit mad like a toddler’s brain does?

No advice really but I think if the ‘I’m troubled you’re manipulating other ppl’ chat didn’t go well perhaps actually if she reacted and kicked off it’s just because your words hit home and she didn’t know what to do with those emotions in the moment- might be worth revisiting another time?

I guess like a toddler there’s possibly no real advice to fix it so much as cope with it until it passes but that will feel like forever!

JanetPluchinsky · 06/03/2022 12:17

@Thewiseoneincognito

Playing devils advocate here. I don’t think £200 per month is enough for anyone to be expected to essentially feed themselves and provide their own transport, I’m not saying give her more but just be aware of her perceived ‘poverty’.

She’s 18, the big wide world will teach her some harsh lessons in time so she does need to wise up but I’d just be mindful that she can’t be expected to fend for herself with £200. The poor bfs family 🤣

She doesn’t have to feed herself or provide her own transport.

We have a house full of food for packed lunches and we pay £110 a month for a bus pass. I’m not giving her a fiver a day for lunch.

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Nanny0gg · 06/03/2022 12:17

@NuffSaidSam

She doesn't sound very pleasant tbh.

I think she needs to start hearing 'no' a lot more often.

Is she having driving lessons? I think that would be a priority if you're somewhere where the public transport isn't great.

Who's going to pay for those? Guarantee she won't.
CourtRand · 06/03/2022 12:19

@Thewiseoneincognito

Playing devils advocate here. I don’t think £200 per month is enough for anyone to be expected to essentially feed themselves and provide their own transport, I’m not saying give her more but just be aware of her perceived ‘poverty’.

She’s 18, the big wide world will teach her some harsh lessons in time so she does need to wise up but I’d just be mindful that she can’t be expected to fend for herself with £200. The poor bfs family 🤣

She's not paying transport from her £200. OP provides a bus pass! And there's food at home, since when could 18 yo not sort themselves a pack up?
5thnonblonde · 06/03/2022 12:20

raisingchildren.net.au/pre-teens/development/understanding-your-pre-teen/brain-development-teens

Because the prefrontal cortex is still developing, teenagers might rely on a part of the brain called the amygdala to make decisions and solve problems more than adults do. The amygdala is associated with emotions, impulses, aggression and instinctive behaviour.

TimeForTeaAndG · 06/03/2022 12:20

If her wages go on cigarettes and booze then she better decide whether they are more important than lunches and other things cos like fuck would I be also giving her pocket money. An 18yo is not the same as a 10yo so she can bugger off with the "unfair" complaint on that.

Go and meet her parents, she can't stop you.

Nanny0gg · 06/03/2022 12:21

@heartmag

Could you write them an unemotional letter saying you are concerned they might not be getting the full picture from DD and want to let them know that

DD has a room at your house
You buy food for DD to have meals at your house
You pay for DD's annual bus pass
You make sure her working hours end before the last bus home if she doesn't have a lift arranged

You can say DD is an adult now and you respect that but give them your contact details if they need to get in touch.

Write it, send it to them and give a copy to her.

My eldest DC moved out at 18. Not far so we still saw them but they wanted to be independent.

The OP's DD wants the best of both worlds.

Absolutely do not write to the parents. That's beyond embarrassing to all concerned.