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To not buy non vegan food

242 replies

Ellie198712 · 05/03/2022 18:56

I’ve recently (2 months ago) gone vegan after watching Earthlings and thinking about how I can’t honestly distinguish between eating a dog or a cow.

DH isn’t vegan and has no intent of becoming one, which is fine, obviously ideally I’d like if we could be a plant based household but it’s his life and diet!

However I feel really uncomfortable buying him eggs and meat when I go to the shops. Today it’s caused a bit of a row as I popped into our veg shop to stock up on veg and he asked me to pick up milk and eggs. I said I didn’t really want to buy them 🤦‍♀️

He’ll eat it what he wants of course but I don’t want to buy things associated with animal suffering really 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Robotdott · 05/03/2022 20:33

for people’s fads.

It's not a fad to not want to eat rotting flesh and animal by products borne from cruelty. I suspect most people eat a fair amount of vegan foods anyway during the day, so not sure why extending it to all meals seems so alien. Unless people solely eat meat and dairy I suppose with no grains, fruits, veg or pulses etc.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 05/03/2022 20:33

One day I must visit Korea, or Milton Keynes.

😀

I think they eat dog in Switzerland as well …or is it Sweden 🤔

Fairly sure its Switzerland

Have i spelt Switzerland right…the more i type it the more ‘wrong’ it looks

Friendshipqn · 05/03/2022 20:34

I’m vegetarian (eat eggs from my happy London chickens, but not dairy) and I won’t buy meat or dairy. My DH isn’t veggie, but he understands. I won’t cook meat or have it in the house. (We do get a milk delivery though.)

DH is totally supportive and wishes he could be veggie / vegan too, but he can’t make himself do it.

Our dc don’t care or notice, that’s how life has always been. Plus, because of where we live, lots of their friends are flexitarian and their school is also a veggie school.

He and the dc eat meat when they’re out if they want it.

Dashel · 05/03/2022 20:35

@elbea are you suggesting that the OP should be doing something that makes her feel uncomfortable?

The more I read about how we treat animals, the more I realise how much cruelty there is in the world and yes My actions may only have a tiny impact on that and yes I am learning all the time that products like paint that I thought were fine, can actually be tested on animals, but I adjust and it sounds like the OP is doing that too.

MurmuratingStarling · 05/03/2022 20:38

@Chloemol

So basically you are going to do two shopping trips a week as you don’t want to buy any animal products due to your newfound veganism

In this case it’s milk and eggs, the animals producing them are still alive

Are you going to tell him he can’t have animal products in the house at all now?

Have you gone through your wardrobe and thrown out all the leather goods you may have?

Don’t be so silly

Regarding the leather goods... I know a really 'preachy' vegan - turned vegan 2 years ago, in her early 30s, and she never shuts up about being a vegan, and what cunts other people are who are NOT vegan She even loathes vegetarians and says they are as bad as meat eaters because they pretend to care about animals but still eat dairy. Confused Yet (hilariously) she waltzed into the pub the other week in leather trousers. Leather fucking trousers!

When someone said 'some vegan YOU are! You've got leather trousers on!' she said 'it's allowed, because the trousers are second hand.' 🤣

FFS! Making up the rules as she goes along! 🙄 THIS is the kind of thing that gets up people noses, (along with the preaching and finger wagging some vegans do,) not people choosing to be vegan. As I said, people can eat (or not eat) what they choose, but don't dictate to me what I should eat. Especially when you claim to be a vegan and you wear LEATHER.

Second fucking hand my arse! Hmm

KidneyBeans · 05/03/2022 20:39

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Fiefofum · 05/03/2022 20:41

YANBU! I wouldn’t buy it either - thankfully DP is also vegan. I also won’t have meat in my house at all.

donquixotedelamancha · 05/03/2022 20:41

I think they eat dog in Switzerland as well

I thought you were confusing dog with toblerone but, no, according to Google they eat dog (fine) and cat! Cat is fucking awful. There is something really wrong with people who enjoy eating cat.

jytdtysrht · 05/03/2022 20:41

This has prob been said but surely it’s worse for the environment if you both take separate trips to the shop?

Robotdott · 05/03/2022 20:42

It depends on your reason for being vegan as to whether you want to wear second hand leather. On the one hand it isn't feeding into demand, on the other if you don't eat meat because you hate the thought of it then yes it seems odd. I agree she sounds insufferable going on about preaching about being vegan, personally though I find meat eaters who constantly go on about how stupid being a vegan is in random conversations annoying too.

KidneyBeans · 05/03/2022 20:44

@donquixotedelamancha

Id have thought dog would be more gamey

Not really gamey, well, maybe a bit like rabbit. Leaner than lamb but not as dry as horse. If I had to pick one thing it was most similar to I'd say kangaroo but kangaroo is nice rare and dog benefits from slow cooking.

Have you ever visited a dog slaughter house or wet market @donquixotedelamancha?

It's super easy to make choices when you're removed from the impact of those choices.

I have.
I think you'd be less flippant if you had.

Or maybe you wouldn't 🤷‍♀️ I guess it depends how comfortable you are with supporting extreme suffering.

Booboobibles · 05/03/2022 20:45

Buy the Clarence Court Burford Brown eggs….they’re from proper free range hens rather than ‘free range’ hens packed into barns with body parts falling off etc.

Not sure about the milk though.

ImprobablePuffin · 05/03/2022 20:45

I'm a meat eater and cannot believe how disrespectful some posters are being discussing how dog tastes on a thread from a vegan. No matter how much you disagree with OP why the need to be so antagonistic and rude.

Porcupineintherough · 05/03/2022 20:46

@donquixotedelamancha

I think they eat dog in Switzerland as well

I thought you were confusing dog with toblerone but, no, according to Google they eat dog (fine) and cat! Cat is fucking awful. There is something really wrong with people who enjoy eating cat.

Too true, it tastes like shit.
donquixotedelamancha · 05/03/2022 20:46

It's like being an anthropologist watching a long lost tribe.

I find that too. I learn such weird things:

  • You have to be really careful signing off emails.
  • Never knock on someone's door without a written invitation.
  • Never prune a tree, it means you are a vegetation hating monster.
  • Posh people expect the person who suggests going to a restaurant to pay.
  • The Swiss eat dogs.
donquixotedelamancha · 05/03/2022 20:49

Have you ever visited a dog slaughter house or wet market @donquixotedelamancha?.....I have.

May I ask why?

Thatsplentyjack · 05/03/2022 20:51

This is a weird thread. Why are people being so aggressive towards the OP?

Robotdott · 05/03/2022 20:51

@ImprobablePuffin

I'm a meat eater and cannot believe how disrespectful some posters are being discussing how dog tastes on a thread from a vegan. No matter how much you disagree with OP why the need to be so antagonistic and rude.
I suspect the point has gone way above your head.
Robotdott · 05/03/2022 20:51

@Thatsplentyjack

This is a weird thread. Why are people being so aggressive towards the OP?
As is always the case when someone mentions they are vegan or the thread is anything to do with it.
skodadoda · 05/03/2022 20:52

@Ellie198712

I honestly wish I hadn’t posted this, it seems to have strengthened the resolve of people who choose to eat meat which makes me extremely sad. I get that maybe I should’ve just bought the eggs and maybe I’ll do that in future.

All I’m trying to do is reduce the suffering of animals that I think we all love. I certainly love our pets.

I honestly like the taste of meat, but I just can’t agree that you can love animals and hate animal cruelty yet still subject them to torture, pain and death because their flesh tastes good.

On that note, I’m out but I do still believe that those amazing people who love animals will do their own research.

If everyone were to become vegan they wouldn’t not be reducing animal suffering. There simply won’t be any animals; who is going to keep fields of livestock simply because we love them? Ruminants such as cows and sheep can turn grass, which we can’t eat, into milk and meat, which we can.
Cocha · 05/03/2022 20:54

Meat eaters get so defensive about their meat eating, you can't argue a case anymore, it's proven over and over. Kinder to animals, kinder to the planet and kinder to your body. One day I hope people will look back and find it strange that people ever ate animals.

Backtomyoldname · 05/03/2022 20:54

@GTAlogic

Soya production is directly and indirectly causing deforestation in the Amazon rainforest leading to loss of habitat and therefore suffering for plants and animals on a massive scale. For that reason, yabu to avoid buying a few eggs.
Whilst it is true that soya does come from areas that were rain forest I think that the vast majority of soya is used for animal feed.

I’m vegan as is my OH and 2 of my 3 adult children. The other is vegetarian but has milk and eggs. If he’s stopping over I won’t get bim eggs, milk etc similarly if I’m getting odd bits for him I wouldn’t get them either - and nor would he ask.

However I do get things that aren’t vegan for my aged neighbour and did when doing RVS errands for people in the first lockdown.

Would I get milk etc for a non vegan OH - not sure, depends.

KidneyBeans · 05/03/2022 20:55

@donquixotedelamancha

Have you ever visited a dog slaughter house or wet market @donquixotedelamancha?.....I have.

May I ask why?

Work. It's not generally a place one visits by choice. And most folk don't visit more than once.

Certainly not the tourists enjoying their dog meat stews in the local restaurants as a 'cultural rite of passage'

And the reason dog is slow cooked is because the meat is usually dark firm dry - a condition which is an unsaleable defect in domestic slaughterhouses. It's caused by glycogen depletion due to extreme muscle stress.
Yum yum

Thatsplentyjack · 05/03/2022 20:55

@donquixotedelamancha

Have you ever visited a dog slaughter house or wet market @donquixotedelamancha?.....I have.

May I ask why?

Probably because they are horrendous and the poster is wondering how you can make light of such awful suffering.
TheCraicDealer · 05/03/2022 20:55

@MurmuratingStarling no, he went vegan after they married.